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AxelWolf
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Minty
March 1st, 2020 at 1:45:52 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I think you are being unfair to casinos. I am better off because of casinos. It is in my rotation of entertainment options. It lets me go to Vegas for great vacations at steeply discounted prices. I think casinos serve the public like movie theaters do. Or golf courses. Or nightclubs.
Guessing casino industry in USA employs 500,000 people? Not to mention the dozen or so AP's on this very forum who make their living at them.

If your argument is that the problems that gambling causes overrides my points, I'll give that to you.

I'm better off because we have casinos as well.

Y0U might be smart enough to research, learn, and understand more about gambling than the average person to where the advantage is minimal and that allows you to maximize your entertainment value. Most people are not doing those things.
For the most part, I believe casinos are a big drain on society in so many ways. I absolutely believe we would be way better off without them. But, since I'm an advantage player and it pays the bills, I hope they keep building them. I just have no idea how we can sustain so many casinos being built, and on top of that adding sports betting everywhere.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Minty
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March 1st, 2020 at 9:02:16 PM permalink
Do you think we'll ever see some big collapse like what's happening to malls and many retail stores with there being too many? Granted, there's more to the story than just the quantity there, but maybe their overexpanansion could be problematic for them.
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March 1st, 2020 at 9:35:46 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I think you are being unfair to casinos. I am better off because of casinos. It is in my rotation of entertainment options. It lets me go to Vegas for great vacations at steeply discounted prices. I think casinos serve the public like movie theaters do. Or golf courses. Or nightclubs.
Guessing casino industry in USA employs 500,000 people? Not to mention the dozen or so AP's on this very forum who make their living at them.

If your argument is that the problems that gambling causes overrides my points, I'll give that to you.

I am better off as well having made my living as an AP for the past 2 years. It's just a general observation. I think casinos should be relegated to destination places like Vegas and AC. But states like Pennsylvania with politicians that have an insatiable appetite for more money to spend have probably gotten half the population hooked on the lottery and casinos. It can't really be called a legitimate industry when half the revenue is taxed. Providing a service that earns tax revenue like a restaurant has been replaced by a desire to get as much money from the public as possible without regard to what product is being offered. To say that they employ people doesn't legitimize its effects on society. Don't mean to be too serious or doom and gloom here. It's just a general observation.
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March 2nd, 2020 at 5:26:54 AM permalink
Quote: Minty

Do you think we'll ever see some big collapse like what's happening to malls and many retail stores with there being too many? Granted, there's more to the story than just the quantity there, but maybe their overexpanansion could be problematic for them.



You will probably see some point where there are too many. AC has too many. But people will have to move on to other entertainment. Malls we’re shopping as entertainment in many ways.

I was just at a casino for a few days. What was important was getting together with old friends. Big open place to hang out. Room. Food. Relax. And pull a couple hundred from the BJ tables. We rotate but we hit casinos because they are one of few things offers all of this.

Back to the thread I can see it being worth $20 to a big place. An hour labor will be near $15. The laundry is tougher but talking another $1-3 in labor and cost. So
A credit like $30 at a big joint I can see it. Though I would not take it as part of why I stay at a hotel
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March 2nd, 2020 at 5:27:32 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

I am better off as well having made my living as an AP for the past 2 years. It's just a general observation. I think casinos should be relegated to destination places like Vegas and AC. But states like Pennsylvania with politicians that have an insatiable appetite for more money to spend have probably gotten half the population hooked on the lottery and casinos. It can't really be called a legitimate industry when half the revenue is taxed. Providing a service that earns tax revenue like a restaurant has been replaced by a desire to get as much money from the public as possible without regard to what product is being offered. To say that they employ people doesn't legitimize its effects on society. Don't mean to be too serious or doom and gloom here. It's just a general observation.



Fully agree..... but..... I like 'taxes' that are optional. You don't have to play the lottery. You don't have to go into a casino.
LuckyPhow
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March 2nd, 2020 at 6:39:56 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Guessing casino industry in USA employs 500,000 people? Not to mention the dozen or so AP's on this very forum who make their living at them.



American Gaming Association notes on its home page that the gaming industry -- casinos, suppliers, regulators, etc. -- "supports 1.8 million jobs."
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March 2nd, 2020 at 8:34:12 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I never thought that for one second. It was clear to me that it was a way to have fewer housekeepers. If one of the big floors with 100 rooms used to need 4 housekeepers, now they only need 2 or 3. And the food credit of $20 costs the casino far less.

You all know what's next, don't you? I'll clue you in.....


Room cost.... $100 per night
$43 resort fee per day
$8 room tidy up fee per day (can decline...)



And for the average person staying only 2, 3, 4 days... why would they ever need to pay that "room tidy up fee?" Do you clean your house top to bottom and wash and change the sheets every 2-3 days when you're home?

This whole thing about hotels letting you opt out of room cleaning is smart and should have been done a long time ago.
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March 2nd, 2020 at 9:35:30 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

And for the average person staying only 2, 3, 4 days... why would they ever need to pay that "room tidy up fee?" Do you clean your house top to bottom and wash and change the sheets every 2-3 days when you're home?

This whole thing about hotels letting you opt out of room cleaning is smart and should have been done a long time ago.



I agree

And if they paid their cleaning staff by the hour instead of by the room it would feel a bit less nefarious

I suppose it can be argued the outcome would be the same (less rooms needing cleaning = less hours required) but this per room bit seems more direct.

I thought it quite interesting that the cleaning lady was NOT aware of the going green program. If they haven't made the staff aware of incentives being offered to patrons to avoid having their rooms cleaned that strikes me as purposefully deceptive
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March 2nd, 2020 at 10:27:44 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

And for the average person staying only 2, 3, 4 days... why would they ever need to pay that "room tidy up fee?" Do you clean your house top to bottom and wash and change the sheets every 2-3 days when you're home?



I want a clean towel and a made bed every day.
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AZDuffman
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March 2nd, 2020 at 11:08:18 AM permalink
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I want a clean towel and a made bed every day.



+1. Hotel not a hostel.
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