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July 5th, 2019 at 8:54:50 AM permalink
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I'm too old school to know how things are done now. In the mid '90's, grannies used to bring their SS card & Driver's License/State ID with them to the casino to show to the slot attendant when they won a slot jackpot of $1200 or more. In the age of cell phone photography, I'm not sure whether a picture of a SS card is enough for a slot attendant. Would you show a cop a picture of your car insurance card instead of the real thing? I'd have to scroll on my phone for miles to find it.

Did your friend keep feeding the machine new cash? Did he walk in there with over $10,000 cash to feed the machines? Also, what does a cash-out look like? They've got those TITO things now. In the old days, you'd have to bring silver dollar tokens to the cashier's cage, and every time you go to the cage potentially adds towards a $10,000 threshold.

It's possible to walk in there with $400 and bet $20 a hand forever if you start off with a lucky streak.



Having won jackpots in a number of different east coast states you are simply asked for your ssn. I didnt have ro show the actual card or a facsimile.

I could easily have lied and gave a fake number.
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:06:11 AM permalink
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I have no idea why this type of shopping with SNAP is allowed. There doesn't seem to be any motivation for them to get off the program when you are eating like that.

Don't get me started on them allowing people to use it at the 7-11.



Could be foster parents or adoptive parents, in which case they may get certain state benefits regardless of income or assets. But probably not. Could have been buying stuff for the party at the group home for addicts or mentally ill that they work at. (But still a low probability of that). And just because they spent a lot doesn't mean they get a lot of benefits. Could have used $30 in government handouts and paid their own cash for the rest.


The motivation to get off is completely immaterial and a logical fallacy. The issue should never be with the people who accept these things when it's given to them. If the government (or anyone else) wants to give me cash or similar benefits, I am not going to turn it down. I expect the same from everyone else. The issue is, why is it being given to them? Might be a legitimate reason, might not be. And might be far more than necessary to keep them from going hungry


I say just give a jar of peanut butter, loaf of bread, and gallon of milk (or some equivalent) every week to anyone who is willing to wait in line for it. Then just cut out all food stamps entirely. It would save a lot of money. But Wal-Mart and 7-11 will never let that happen.
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:11:21 AM permalink
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You pay for prisons too.

Intend to get some use out of those?

Of course, keeping criminals away from me.



By that logic, keeping you from tripping over the homeless is also benefit. Though I'm sure it's still something you deal with despite all the government money spent on. But most people who have been locked up in prison are now out and all that money spent isn't doing anything to keep them away from you
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:28:21 AM permalink
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Having won jackpots in a number of different east coast states you are simply asked for your ssn. I didnt have ro show the actual card or a facsimile.

I could easily have lied and gave a fake number.

This is True. I have only had to show my ss card for 3 times in many years.

However, and this is per a NV gaming agent, the casino can withhold taxes if you don't have it.

There have been people denied payments of jackpots in California who didnt have a SS card and could not be found in their data base.

Most places have a separate form you can fill out claiming what your SS number is.

Some or all of that may not be what the law states, but they have your money and there is not much you can do about it at the time. Ya, I know, I know, everyone says just Call Bob N.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:47:09 AM permalink
I have a TITO slip worth a penny. I looked on the back and it's good for up to a year. It's possible to run up a huge balance on a TITO over several months and cash in 5 or 6 figures.
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:55:46 AM permalink
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This is True. I have only had to show my ss card for 3 times in many years.

However, and this is per a NV gaming agent, the casino can withhold taxes if you don't have it.

There have been people denied payments of jackpots in California who didnt have a SS card and could not be found in their data base.

Most places have a separate form you can fill out claiming what your SS number is.

Some or all of that may not be what the law states, but they have your money and there is not much you can do about it at the time. Ya, I know, I know, everyone says just Call Bob N.



I am sure there is no law about providing a social security card. But even if they insist on it, they can only withhold taxes, not the entire jackpot, right? Denying an entire jackpot is essentially saying the casino gets a free-roll on most foreigners and anyone else without a social security number -- and it's perfectly legal to never apply for a SSN. Withholding taxes just means you get back the correct amount when you file, correct?

On something like this (and a lot of other things people ask about here), I would suggest trying an assemblyman -- they are literally the people who make the law; or the attorney general -- literally the highest level of law enforcement. Any guidance they offer could go a long way without having to pay a retainer.
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July 5th, 2019 at 10:57:53 AM permalink
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And yet you really are just making a judgment call about people you know nothing about.

The car could have been borrowed from a family member. Or rented. Or an Uber.

The husband could be working (you are eligible for snap if you work but your paycheck still leaves you and your dependents under the poverty level.

Your determination the guy is fit is based in an observation of him shopping? The guy could have any number of hidden ailments. Hell, the guy could have cancer and yoj wouldn't know that.

Very upsetting people judge others based on SNAP judgements (pun intended)



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Could be foster parents or adoptive parents, in which case they may get certain state benefits regardless of income or assets. But probably not. Could have been buying stuff for the party at the group home for addicts or mentally ill that they work at. (But still a low probability of that). And just because they spent a lot doesn't mean they get a lot of benefits. Could have used $30 in government handouts and paid their own cash for the rest.


The motivation to get off is completely immaterial and a logical fallacy. The issue should never be with the people who accept these things when it's given to them. If the government (or anyone else) wants to give me cash or similar benefits, I am not going to turn it down. I expect the same from everyone else. The issue is, why is it being given to them? Might be a legitimate reason, might not be. And might be far more than necessary to keep them from going hungry


I say just give a jar of peanut butter, loaf of bread, and gallon of milk (or some equivalent) every week to anyone who is willing to wait in line for it. Then just cut out all food stamps entirely. It would save a lot of money. But Wal-Mart and 7-11 will never let that happen.



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But probably not.



You guys are right, I probably made a SNAP judgment about the situation.

They could have just shot and killed some little old lady and stole her car. They could have just kidnapped those kids and thought them to say daddy, then forged some fake documents in order to apply for food stamps.
They may have been speculating there was going to be a shortage that day on T-bones and were using it as currency to trade for crack.

I'm not against some government safety nets for people that end up in a tough spot for a short period of time. But oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 5th, 2019 at 11:22:11 AM permalink
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I'm not against some government safety nets for people that end up in a tough spot for a short period of time. But oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.



Absolutely true. And the problem with this is virtually entirely with the "system" and almost nothing with the people who take part in it. Always assume that people won't fully understand the spirit of the law and will instead follow it as implemented. Reagan warned us about "wefare queens" 40 years ago using examples from 50 years ago. Has the solution for all these years really been to just to insist everyone follows the honor system and only use these benefits if they really need them?

For things like this I will always follow the money. The biggest beneficiary in this is definitely Wal-Mart (followed by Smith's/Kroger, and now 7-11). With combined valuations getting close to the trillions, the most obvious answer is that they are the ones keeping this racket going.
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July 5th, 2019 at 11:26:31 AM permalink
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I have a TITO slip worth a penny. I looked on the back and it's good for up to a year. It's possible to run up a huge balance on a TITO over several months and cash in 5 or 6 figures.


Kinda sorta. It also depends on what limits the casino has on their machines. Many places have a $3k limit, meaning if your balance goes above that, itíll spit out a ticket. Many also have limits as far as how big of a ticket you can insert. Some places itís $3k, others higher others lower.
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July 5th, 2019 at 12:05:17 PM permalink
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Quote: TomG

But probably not.



You guys are right, I probably made a SNAP judgment about the situation.

They could have just shot and killed some little old lady and stole her car. They could have just kidnapped those kids and thought them to say daddy, then forged some fake documents in order to apply for food stamps.
They may have been speculating there was going to be a shortage that day on T-bones and were using it as currency to trade for crack.

I'm not against some government safety nets for people that end up in a tough spot for a short period of time. But oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.



Your beef should be with the qualifications process

No one just shows up and qualifies automatically.

Its possible these people honestly reported their income and quaified.

What I am saying is you dont know. You are taking on the judgements of the people whose job this is with nothing more than sight seen.

Its even possible they own a Cadillac. Here is a surprise. Welfare is interested mostly in cash income assets and holding

For example, perhaps the guy had a good paying job and brought himself a caddie and now is unable to find employment. Welfare does not insist he sell previously purchased items. The car is not bringing in income (assuming hes not doing uber). He wont be forced to sell his car or his furniture that he previously purchased when life was good)

Its not for you to say what this guys prior life was or is. Thats For the welfare qualifications dept which will look at the entire picture.

Its human nature I understand. Its like when I lose $2000 and then win a jackpot for $1900 and people pass by crowing about how I must be lucky. Humans see the immediate picture and dont take in the unseen whole.

Im not coming down on you. Just saying you should recognize that your judgment is based on a fractional snapshot of this family's life

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