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July 4th, 2018 at 3:48:59 AM permalink
Wishing all my American cousins a Happy Independence Day and best wishes for the future.
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July 4th, 2018 at 4:51:34 AM permalink
I have always found it interesting that we celebrate Independence day on July the 4th, which is commemorating the signing of the declaration of independence. We were not an independent nation at that time though. Hell the war had just only started. We didn't truly achieve freedom from those damn dirty Brits until a little over five years later in 1781.

At any rate, let us celebrate being free from our English overlords today.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:11:58 AM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

I have always found it interesting that we celebrate Independence day on July the 4th, which is commemorating the signing of the declaration of independence. We were not an independent nation at that time though. Hell the war had just only started. We didn't truly achieve freedom from those damn dirty Brits until a little over five years later in 1781.

At any rate, let us celebrate being free from our English overlords today.



Was this necessary, in response to a British citizen wishing us a happy 4th? Doesn't seem like it. Misses being a personal insult by one Yankee Doodle feather-width.

Other than that, I have to agree you sort of have a point. We celebrate V-E and V-J days. Nov 11,1918 was the Armistice. July 4th is most akin to Dec. 7 (Pearl Harbor Day) or even Sept 11, 2001, in the way of your reckoning.

But I take it as an object lesson. We (our FF) resolved our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor for a cause greater than ourselves on that day. The resistance had started well before that, and we were losing, badly.

Stamp Act Congress 1765 (first Revolutionary activity)
Boston Tea Party. December 16, 1773
First Continental Congress October 26, 1774
Concord and Lexington. April 17, 1775
Declaration July 4, 1776
Battle of Yorktown (surrender ) October 19, 1781
Treaty of Paris September 3, 1783

So we celebrate the resolve and the coalescence of our will as individuals, as states, into a nation of common purpose.

Could use some of that right about now.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:17:42 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Was this necessary, in response to a British citizen wishing us a happy 4th? Doesn't seem like it. Misses being a personal insult by one Yankee Doodle feather-width.



The problem with the interwebs is that it doesnt allow the conveying of tone. It was a completely light hearted joke...

Sorry if I hurt anybody's delicate sensibilities
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:20:32 AM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

The problem with the interwebs is that it doesnt allow the conveying of tone. It was a completely light hearted joke...

Sorry if I hurt anybody's delicate sensibilities



Thanks for clarifying. It read nasty. Fine as a joke.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:45:19 AM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

The problem with the interwebs is that it doesnt allow the conveying of tone. It was a completely light hearted joke...

Sorry if I hurt anybody's delicate sensibilities

No offence taken at all. As far as I understand it, the English imperialists that your ancestors fought were probably not as civilised as you or I. Maybe your ancestors were not as civilised either. I don't even concern myself over the issues and if I did, I'd probably sympathise with your side's struggle. Which goes towards wishing you the best.
The issues of yesteryear were fought over, decided by a very different generation that we can only start to imagine, and your ancestors won. I bear no malice for that.

BBB, I'm chilled. V can call my ancestors 'dirty brits': They are not members here. Mind you, neither is my dad, so V had better not malign him.

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July 4th, 2018 at 10:36:43 AM permalink
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July 4th, 2018 at 10:51:07 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Was this necessary, in response to a British citizen wishing us a happy 4th? Doesn't seem like it. Misses being a personal insult by one Yankee Doodle feather-width.

What??? That's just crazy talk. Nowhere in his response did I see anything remotely close to being suspension worthy. I was this close to telling OD what he could do with that Yankee Doodle feather. (-;
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July 4th, 2018 at 12:19:43 PM permalink
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What??? That's just crazy talk. Nowhere in his response did I see anything remotely close to being suspension worthy. I was this close to telling OD what he could do with that Yankee Doodle feather. (-;



Hey, guess what? A smiley face like you posted would have made the whole thing funny. Or a j/k. Or any other means of indicating it was a joke. Or if I knew Skyhawk well enough to know it was a joke.

I would enjoy a lot more joking around here. Instead it's a lot of knives and ad hominem attacks. If I ignore them or think it's a joke, I get complaints; yeah he insulted me. If I address them, I get complaints; yeah, it was a joke, but you couldn't hear me or see me.

That's how it is. People like to crap on each other, whine, complain, because in an anonymous forum, who really cares what they say about themselves when they're rude to someone else? I figure it's saving the dog a kick in the ass and move on.
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July 4th, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM permalink
Happy 4th to all members and a special THANK YOU to all veterans.
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July 4th, 2018 at 12:45:29 PM permalink
Quote: VCUSkyhawk

I have always found it interesting that we celebrate Independence day on July the 4th, which is commemorating the signing of the declaration of independence.


Not to be too pedantic, but the Founding Fathers assumed July 2nd, the day they passed the resolution, would become the holiday. John Adams in letter to Abigail:
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"The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more."


Somewhere along the line the signing on the 4th became a bigger deal.
I also like how Adams finished this same letter to his wife:
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You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. -- I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. -- Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not.


Happy Fourth to all those celebrating it and to those from foreign lands who don't, stop by and we'll buy you a beer and a hot dog. Even the Brits.
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July 4th, 2018 at 12:51:21 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

We (our FF) resolved our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor for a cause greater than ourselves on that day.

And the signers pretty much all paid that price.

>. The resistance had started well before that, and we were losing, badly.
That is when courage is most needed.

>Stamp Act Congress 1765
The most ridiculous Crown Legislation ever. It alienated the rich merchants and because it also applied to playing cards it alienated the poor as well.

>Boston Tea
Party. December 16, 1773
An act performed on behalf of a notorious smuggler of Dutch tea whose warehouse shelves would sag if that British tea had reached the market at one-sixth the price of the smuggled tea. The Sons of Liberty met at a tavern which was the "internet" of the day.

>Concord and Lexington. April 17, 1775
"That Concord by discord could never be taken" sung to the tune of the Irish Washerwoman. Again, troubadours were the "associated press" of the day.

>>Battle of Yorktown (surrender ) October 19, 1781
The British band played 'the world turned upside down' the American band played "Yankee Doodle".
Doodle being the forerunner of Dood which became at a later date, Dude. By the way, the feminine version was not Doodette but Doodine.

>>>So we celebrate the resolve and the coalescence of
>>>our will as individuals, as states, into a nation of common purpose.
Very well put.

>>>>Could use some of that right about now.
Yes indeed. As we could also use greater employment of those smiley faces at certain critical posts.

But now that my history and language lesson is over, Happy July 4th everyone.
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July 4th, 2018 at 1:04:03 PM permalink
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Hey, guess what? A smiley face like you posted would have made the whole thing funny. Or a j/k. Or any other means of indicating it was a joke. Or if I knew Skyhawk well enough to know it was a joke.

I would enjoy a lot more joking around here. Instead it's a lot of knives and ad hominem attacks. If I ignore them or think it's a joke, I get complaints; yeah he insulted me. If I address them, I get complaints; yeah, it was a joke, but you couldn't hear me or see me.

That's how it is. People like to crap on each other, whine, complain, because in an anonymous forum, who really cares what they say about themselves when they're rude to someone else? I figure it's saving the dog a kick in the ass and move on.



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July 4th, 2018 at 1:10:15 PM permalink
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Being a mod is a thankless job. I moderate a gambling facebook group, I am sure half the people hate me. I dont really care.

Don't ask how it happened, I became the sole administrator of a facebook group, then was exposed for not believing Elvis was alive, which was the purpose of the group I think. There was a riot.
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July 4th, 2018 at 2:23:09 PM permalink
Dodgers alumni game on the 4th what could be better??? Orel the bulldog vs Fernando Valenzuela.
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July 4th, 2018 at 2:36:02 PM permalink
Questions regarding 4th of July

http://www.insidesources.com/rediscovering-america-quiz-fourth-july/
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July 4th, 2018 at 2:44:58 PM permalink
I think that the day that independence is declared is the better marker to celebrate a nation's birthday than when any subsequent war is over. That is also how Mexico's independence day, September 16, is based.

Regardless of your position, I wish a happy independence day to my fellow Yanks.
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July 4th, 2018 at 2:49:08 PM permalink
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Regardless of your position, I wish a happy independence day to my fellow Yanks.

I'd avoided using the Y word for fear of a diplomatic incident :o)
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July 4th, 2018 at 2:51:58 PM permalink
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The problem with the interweb



Where do you find the interweb,
I'm still on the slow old fashioned
internet..
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July 4th, 2018 at 3:49:38 PM permalink
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I'd avoided using the Y word for fear of a diplomatic incident :o)

Its origin is in dispute but there is little question that the word yankee was always meant as a perjorative reference and surely never as a flattering one.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:02:08 PM permalink
Time for me to be a bit of a crank. Happy Fourth Of July? My neighbors are playing with explosive firecrackers that are too close for comfort for me and the sounds of fireworks sound close too something kind of deadly. I wish we could celebrate America's Independence with something less frightening than fireworks and firecrackers like buttercream cakes and pies. Buttercream cakes and pies are way more safer than fireworks and firecrackers.
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July 4th, 2018 at 6:44:56 PM permalink
The Fourth of July was not always a national celebration of the militarization of American society and of the federal government’s never-ending quest for world domination (disguised as "defending our interests abroad"). Americans did not always attend church services on the Sunday before the Fourth of July to "honor" their "military heroes" and pray that they may kill many more human beings in other countries that have done them no harm. Americans once actually read and understood the Declaration of Independence for what it was: a declaration of secession from the British empire and a roadmap for opposing a highly centralized, militaristic empire of the sort the U.S. government has become.
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July 4th, 2018 at 7:00:13 PM permalink
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pray that they may kill many more human beings in other countries that have done them no harm.



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July 4th, 2018 at 8:55:41 PM permalink
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The Fourth of July was not always a national celebration of the militarization of American society and of the federal government’s never-ending quest for world domination (disguised as "defending our interests abroad"). Americans did not always attend church services on the Sunday before the Fourth of July to "honor" their "military heroes" and pray that they may kill many more human beings in other countries that have done them no harm. Americans once actually read and understood the Declaration of Independence for what it was: a declaration of secession from the British empire and a roadmap for opposing a highly centralized, militaristic empire of the sort the U.S. government has become.


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July 4th, 2018 at 10:23:10 PM permalink
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The Fourth of July was not always a national celebration of the militarization of American society and of the federal government’s never-ending quest for world domination (disguised as "defending our interests abroad"). Americans did not always attend church services on the Sunday before the Fourth of July to "honor" their "military heroes" and pray that they may kill many more human beings in other countries that have done them no harm. Americans once actually read and understood the Declaration of Independence for what it was: a declaration of secession from the British empire and a roadmap for opposing a highly centralized, militaristic empire of the sort the U.S. government has become.



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July 4th, 2018 at 10:47:20 PM permalink
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Man, I thought that only God could hear my prayers...



Why did you take my quote out of context to make it sound completely contradictory to what I originally stated to try and make me look bad? Says a lot about you.
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July 4th, 2018 at 11:34:22 PM permalink
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Why did you take my quote out of context to make it sound completely contradictory to what I originally stated to try and make me look bad? Says a lot about you.



ZK.

I think he was making the statement about himself (as a joke), not about you. Perhaps a sarcastic reply TO you, but it didn't change what you said, he's suggesting you somehow read his mind or something.
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July 5th, 2018 at 3:39:11 AM permalink
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ZK.

I think he was making the statement about himself (as a joke), not about you. Perhaps a sarcastic reply TO you, but it didn't change what you said, he's suggesting you somehow read his mind or something.



You're starting to get me BBB :)

The simple fact is, I disagree with your church premise ZK. I was trying to make a light hearted joke instead of getting into a pissing contest. I know it is pointless, which is why I always steer clear of the political thread.
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