Pot-sniffing Dogs
"Illinois police claim if marijuana is legalized, they'll have to kill their police dogs"
"The training director of a police K-9 academy in Illinois claims that if the state legalizes recreational marijuana, it will likely have to euthanize "a number" of its pot-sniffing dogs, The Pantagraph reports."
http://theweek.com/speedreads/771903/illinois-police-claim-marijuana-legalized-theyll-have-kill-police-dogs
Quote: bobbartopThis is insane. The world is insane.
"Illinois police claim if marijuana is legalized, they'll have to kill their police dogs"
"The training director of a police K-9 academy in Illinois claims that if the state legalizes recreational marijuana, it will likely have to euthanize "a number" of its pot-sniffing dogs, The Pantagraph reports."
http://theweek.com/speedreads/771903/illinois-police-claim-marijuana-legalized-theyll-have-kill-police-dogs
Absurd
Barney Fife must be in charge of the dogs
But, reading the article, it makes sense. What are you supposed to do with a dog like that? It's trained to sniff marijuana, so it can't work anymore if it's impossible to "untrain" that scent. And if they're not social, you can't have the dog adopted into a domestic home.
Quote: SM777On the surface, it does sound like a silly claim.
But, reading the article, it makes sense. What are you supposed to do with a dog like that? It's trained to sniff marijuana, so it can't work anymore if it's impossible to "untrain" that scent. And if they're not social, you can't have the dog adopted into a domestic home.
None of them are trained on a single scent though, article says they can detect 5 odors.
Quote: bobbartopThis is insane. The world is insane.
"Illinois police claim if marijuana is legalized, they'll have to kill their police dogs"
"The training director of a police K-9 academy in Illinois claims that if the state legalizes recreational marijuana, it will likely have to euthanize "a number" of its pot-sniffing dogs, The Pantagraph reports."
http://theweek.com/speedreads/771903/illinois-police-claim-marijuana-legalized-theyll-have-kill-police-dogs
This is messed up. Killing dogs just because marijuana is now legalized\becoming legal. Poor dogs. :( This is the equivalent of killing manual workers if the company becomes automated and no longer needs the manual workers. :(
Quote: gamerfreakNone of them are trained on a single scent though, article says they can detect 5 odors.
Correct, but if they're "working" and alert to marijuana, that would no longer be part of the job duties. They will be alerting for marijuana for as long as they're working.
Quote: SM777Correct, but if they're "working" and alert to marijuana, that would no longer be part of the job duties. They will be alerting for marijuana for as long as they're working.
I guess it could depend whether or not they are using the dog alert as probable cause for a search, which I think is BS to begin with.
Correct. And if they alert, how do you know for what? You can’t do a search if it detected pot...Quote: gamerfreakI guess it could depend whether or not they are using the dog alert as probable cause for a search, which I think is BS to begin with.
Quote: SM777On the surface, it does sound like a silly claim.
But, reading the article, it makes sense. What are you supposed to do with a dog like that? It's trained to sniff marijuana, so it can't work anymore if it's impossible to "untrain" that scent. And if they're not social, you can't have the dog adopted into a domestic home.
There are plenty of options. Simply board them as is till they die, without spending tons of additional money investigating, prosecuting and jailing people for pot, for example.
Quote: SM777On the surface, it does sound like a silly claim.
But, reading the article, it makes sense. What are you supposed to do with a dog like that? It's trained to sniff marijuana, so it can't work anymore if it's impossible to "untrain" that scent. And if they're not social, you can't have the dog adopted into a domestic home.
I know I'm off the deep end, but humor me for a moment. What about all the dogs that fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., with us? Say, for instance, suddenly we have world peace and everyone loves each other. What are we going to do? Put these heroic dogs down? That don't compute, not with me it don't. Send them all over to my house. I'll buy some extra Milk Bones.
Quote: edwardjsmithYeah, I lose a lot of sleep too, worrying that world peace might suddenly break out.
That'll never happen until everyone quits believing in religion as the first step.
Quote: SM777O And if they're not social, you can't have the dog adopted into a domestic home.
If they are not social, they need to be put down.
Should never been trained in the 1st place if a dog can not behave
Quote: bobbartopI know I'm off the deep end, but humor me for a moment. What about all the dogs that fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., with us? Say, for instance, suddenly we have world peace and everyone loves each other. What are we going to do? Put these heroic dogs down? That don't compute, not with me it don't. Send them all over to my house. I'll buy some extra Milk Bones.
Send they to Korea
Tasty :-)
Quote: SM777On the surface, it does sound like a silly claim.
But, reading the article, it makes sense. What are you supposed to do with a dog like that? It's trained to sniff marijuana, so it can't work anymore if it's impossible to "untrain" that scent. And if they're not social, you can't have the dog adopted into a domestic home.
I am a former state teooper and a k9 handler.
Thise dogs csn be rehomed to a family. You give a command to "sniff" and upon finding the dog is supposed to sit.
Drug sniffing dogs are social most often though you do have dual purpose dogs (which mine was) and i could walk him into a school full of children and let them roll on top of him. If it is a clear headed dog they know the difference between a threat and not. Again there is for lack of a better term a on off switch (which the dog can violate if needed)
Pass Auf! Means watch/stay alert.
Achtung! Is a more intense commamd and means shit is probsnly hitting the fan
When the dog hears this it goes to a heightend sense of watch and knows to observe everything and it will react to anny aggression at the handler if needed. Break bad whike the officer is cuffing you and the dog is getting an ankle or a arm
Strictly protection type dogs who do nothing but chase bad guys down can be tehomed to a home with owners who have a history of working with protection dogs.
No need to ever euthinize most dogs.
That being said there are the occasional loose cannons that squeak through or dogs who experience trauma and get PTSD.
When i retired my K9 refused to work with anyine ekse so they gave him to me. End of story. Dogs and trainers form a huge bond
Quote: terapinedIf they are not social, they need to be put down.
Should never been trained in the 1st place if a dog can not behave
You have no idea what you are talking about and different dogs are trained for different things
Quote: bobbartopI know I'm off the deep end, but humor me for a moment. What about all the dogs that fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., with us? Say, for instance, suddenly we have world peace and everyone loves each other. What are we going to do? Put these heroic dogs down? That don't compute, not with me it don't. Send them all over to my house. I'll buy some extra Milk Bones.
A lot of those dogs dont make it back the oned that do typically go to a sherrifs dept if still right in the head or with the handler
http://www.wral.com/deputy-loses-job-in-fight-for-custody-of-dog/14986544/
Jere is a bad story about the way this works
Quote: troopscottI am a former state teooper and a k9 handler.
Thise dogs csn be rehomed to a family. You give a command to "sniff" and upon finding the dog is supposed to sit.
Drug sniffing dogs are social most often though you do have dual purpose dogs (which mine was) and i could walk him into a school full of children and let them roll on top of him. If it is a clear headed dog they know the difference between a threat and not. Again there is for lack of a better term a on off switch (which the dog can violate if needed)
Pass Auf! Means watch/stay alert.
Achtung! Is a more intense commamd and means shit is probsnly hitting the fan
When the dog hears this it goes to a heightend sense of watch and knows to observe everything and it will react to anny aggression at the handler if needed. Break bad whike the officer is cuffing you and the dog is getting an ankle or a arm
Strictly protection type dogs who do nothing but chase bad guys down can be tehomed to a home with owners who have a history of working with protection dogs.
No need to ever euthinize most dogs.
That being said there are the occasional loose cannons that squeak through or dogs who experience trauma and get PTSD.
When i retired my K9 refused to work with anyine ekse so they gave him to me. End of story. Dogs and trainers form a huge bond
What’s your opinion on a dog alert being probable cause for a search?
Quote: terapinedSend they to Korea
Tasty :-)
In Vietnam, Americans gave hundreds of service dogs to the hill peoples knowing dogmeat was a delicacy. The rationale was they couldn't be returned to civil society and were surplus equipment. As many as 10,000 dogs were sent to Vietnam. Only a couple dozen returned. Not a single handler was allowed to adopt his partner. Many of the dogs who didn't complete training were shot. Not euthanized, but shot so army corpsman could train on treating bullet wounds.
These days our Armed Forces are much more civilized towards war dogs, none of whom volunteered for the job.
A Memorial to all Service Animals was installed a few years ago. Maybe in Texas?
Cher Ami, rescuer of The Lost Battalion is displayed at the Smithsonian.
Well there they go, making more fictitious claims. For decades "they" have claimed mj was the root of all evil and turned people into maniacs. "They" make a lot of claims that are untrue.Quote: bobbartopThis is insane. The world is insane.
"Illinois police claim if marijuana is legalized, they'll have to kill their police dogs"
"The training director of a police K-9 academy in Illinois claims that if the state legalizes recreational marijuana, it will likely have to euthanize "a number" of its pot-sniffing dogs, The Pantagraph reports."
Maybe they should try letting Fido have a little cannibis to chill them out? Police need to think outside the cell for a bit. Maybe the dogs could get jobs at pot shops, or airports. Lots of possibilities. And if the dogs really do need to be put down, key sera sera. They are animals, [put here to serve us]. Iditarod dogs get put down, old farm dogs, cattle, sheep, chickens etc.
Illinois still has the death penalty for humans, fcs. How many peoples lives have been destroyed because of the false claims about pot?
I have often said we are all animals, humans just have a better means of communication.Quote: IbeatyouracesThey were not "put here to serve us." Humans just turned them into slaves. You're an animal just as much as a dog is.
Quote: terapinedSend they to Korea
Tasty :-)
First of all, terapined, don't bother with the smiley face, because I know it's true, and as far as I'm concerned President Trump should announce on national tv that if Korea don't stop eating dogs then we will bring all our troops and support home and end all treaties. Screw them, stop eating dogs or we end all trade deals immediately. The thing is, we are so powerful that we could really do that. I'm serious. Stop eating dogs or we will embargo your asses tomorrow. In a perfect world we should do that. One more elephant or rhinocerous killed for ivory, and we nuke them, that's all. That would be President Bob Bartop's foreign policy.
Horses?
Chickens?
Pigeons?
Where does Bob Bartop the first, draw the line?
Is it okay to slaughter Snowball for bacon but not Lassie?
Quote: IbeatyouracesThey were not "put here to serve us." Humans just turned them into slaves. You're an animal just as much as a dog is.
My opinion is that God wants Man to be kind to animals. He gave us the brains and free will, we should protect animals.
Quote: billryanNot sure why but I always thought it was Bobbar Top.
Nope. And when I open my video poker bar it is going to be called Bob Bartop's Bar O' Bartops.
My grandfather came from the old country and changed his name from Giuseppe Bartopoulos.
Quote: bobbartopMy opinion is that God wants Man to be kind to animals. He gave us the brains and free will, we should protect animals.
He didn't give a brain to people that believe in that make believe garbage!
Quote: billryanNot sure why but I always thought it was Bobbar Top.
Me too. I thought he was a merc from a Star Wars movie.
There are many country's that eat dogs, as well as rats. It's protein. Good point about drawing the line. What about deer and elk, bambi and majestic. No difference to me.Quote: billryanCows?
Horses?
Chickens?
Pigeons?
Where does Bob Bartop the first, draw the line?
Is it okay to slaughter Snowball for bacon but not Lassie?
When I was around people that ate dog frequently, they preferred dogs that hadn't been vaccinated.
Quote: billryanCows?
Horses?
Chickens?
Pigeons?
Where does Bob Bartop the first, draw the line?
Is it okay to slaughter Snowball for bacon but not Lassie?
I spent almost $500 to put Snowball in a pet cemetery. Headstone included. Fluffy toy mouse in casket next to him. With a shirt I had worn, lock of my hair in shirt pocket. Never had a Lassie.
By the way, if Trump appoints me to the new Department of Meat, you all had better start getting used to the taste of kale.
Quote: petroglyphThere are many country's that eat dogs, as well as rats. It's protein. Good point about drawing the line. What about deer and elk, bambi and majestic. No difference to me.
When I was around people that ate dog frequently, they preferred dogs that hadn't been vaccinated.
But here's the deal about dogs. Elk, Bambi, dogs, BIG FKG DIFFERENCE.
A DOG, will protect your CHILDREN, YOUR FAMILY. An Elk don't give a damn about your children.
And it don't matter what race you are, what color you are, what religion you are, A DOG WILL LOVE YOU AND PROTECT YOU AND NOT CARE WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE.
A dog will GIVE ITS LIFE FOR YOUR BABY.
It's quite simple. If a country eats dog, we should sever all diplomatic relations with them.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThat'll never happen until everyone quits believing in religion as the first step.
You don't have to get rid of religion, just the wrong ones and keep the one that is right.
Quote: troopscottI am a former state teooper and a k9 handler.
Thise dogs csn be rehomed to a family. You give a command to "sniff" and upon finding the dog is supposed to sit.
Drug sniffing dogs are social most often though you do have dual purpose dogs (which mine was) and i could walk him into a school full of children and let them roll on top of him. If it is a clear headed dog they know the difference between a threat and not. Again there is for lack of a better term a on off switch (which the dog can violate if needed)
Pass Auf! Means watch/stay alert.
Achtung! Is a more intense commamd and means shit is probsnly hitting the fan
When the dog hears this it goes to a heightend sense of watch and knows to observe everything and it will react to anny aggression at the handler if needed. Break bad whike the officer is cuffing you and the dog is getting an ankle or a arm
Strictly protection type dogs who do nothing but chase bad guys down can be tehomed to a home with owners who have a history of working with protection dogs.
No need to ever euthinize most dogs.
That being said there are the occasional loose cannons that squeak through or dogs who experience trauma and get PTSD.
When i retired my K9 refused to work with anyine ekse so they gave him to me. End of story. Dogs and trainers form a huge bond
Too bad I can't click the thankyou button twice on this.
Quote: bobbartopYou don't have to get rid of religion, just the wrong ones and keep the one that is right.
They're all phony bull$#!%
Quote: IbeatyouracesHe didn't give a brain to people that believe in that make believe garbage!
I grew one when I walked out of the ocean.
Quote: bobbartopFirst of all, terapined, don't bother with the smiley face,
The smiley face was after tasty
You do realize this is an international audience out there on this board
Sure I live in Florida
but
I was not born in this country
I was born in dog eating land.
Its just protein
People in India are disgusted we eat beef
Muslims are grossed out by our pork consumption
Different protein for different folks
Quote: troopscottA lot of those dogs dont make it back the oned that do typically go to a sherrifs dept if still right in the head or with the handler
http://www.wral.com/deputy-loses-job-in-fight-for-custody-of-dog/14986544/
Jere is a bad story about the way this works
Thank you for the post and the link, but I chose not to read the link. I hope you don't mind.
Quote: bobbartopI grew one when I walked out of the ocean.
Lucky,I Ididn't get one til I stopped swinging from trees and realized the earth beneath me is moving faster than the speed of sound. Thank you government school!
Quote: terapinedThe smiley face was after tasty
You do realize this is an international audience out there on this board
Sure I live in Florida
but
I was not born in this country
I was born in dog eating land.
Its just protein
People in India are disgusted we eat beef
Muslims are grossed out by our pork consumption
Different protein for different folks
I've already adamantly voiced my opinion about the difference. We're the strongest country in the world and we should force our will on those who eat dog. If you want to be friends with the United States, stop eating dog. Or deal with the consequences. And I'm not joking.
Quote: bobbartopI know I'm off the deep end, but humor me for a moment. What about all the dogs that fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., with us?
Wasn't there a movie about one of them recently? I thought they got adopted by a soldier, often the one the dog worked with, after their retirement from duty. Then again, this is something I knew very little about.
This thing about killing the police dogs sounds like a cheat stunt to get people to oppose legalization.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThey're all phony bull$#!%
Bishop Arnold Snyder of the First Church of Blackjack might take offense to your blasphemous remark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachiko_Monogatari
"Hachikō Monogatari is a melodramatic film that tells the true story of friendship, trust, and affection of Japan's most faithful dog "Hachikō", whose bronze statue, to this day, stands watch over Shibuya Station, Tokyo."
They later made an American version with Richard Gere and Jason Alexander. I immediately bought the dvd when I heard about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachi:_A_Dog%27s_Tale
Both very good movies, in my opinion.
When oh when will the public start drug and alcohol testing police?
Quote: gamerfreakWhat’s your opinion on a dog alert being probable cause for a search?
I'm pretty sure the only reason they exist is to get around probable cause.
I never really thought about it in these terms, but it's pretty insane that a freaking dog has the power to declare your constitutional rights null and void.
Eat em all.
Quote: billryanCows?
Horses?
Chickens?
Pigeons?
Where does Bob Bartop the first, draw the line?
Is it okay to slaughter Snowball for bacon but not Lassie?
I'd probably agree with Bobbar Top (who must be a commander of some interstellar fleet, surely) if we were talking about my dog (or my old dog, anyway. I'd skin the one I own now =p). I'd probably feel the same way about his dog. Or any dog with a place and a purpose.
But dogs which are essentially "wild"? Tis an animal like any other. If you have a need of its physical being, then proper harvest is acceptable. And I had a beautiful Himalaya growing up. Another when I left home. I can't say I've met a cat I didn't get along with. But I'd plink feral cats 'til the sun came down if given the opportunity. If you wanna eat it, great. So long as done for purpose and humanely, it's kinda our thing. From Genesis 9:3 to simple biology, killing is necessary to survival.
Until test tube meat comes, at least.
