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terapined
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October 10th, 2017 at 3:01:32 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


That is too long for a hotel not tohave done something.


The guy is holed up with an arsenal of weapons and shooting out the door.
What should the hotel do?
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Rigondeaux
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October 10th, 2017 at 3:47:06 PM permalink
Quote: RS

I wouldn't be opposed to casinos having more security and checking bags, metal detectors, gun & bomb sniffin' dogs, etc., just like they do at the airport. I just don't think it'd be both feasible and effective. Not to mention, it just deflects the real problem at hand.

#FreeMaxPen



I'm not sure about it. We're already a culture of fear. As others have pointed out, Americans are a pretty safe people on the whole. Violent crime is down. We face no significant foreign threat, (not sure I trust Canada). In colonial times, and most of human history, losing a kid or two was par for the course. Plus we were at actual risk of foreign invasion. That's when they set up the Bill of Rights we now want to shred. Yet we are constantly scared and talk about things like safety, "I want the president to keep me safe."

FDR said "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" back when we were just bombed by a huge military and were entering a war we could have lost, and in which 400,000 Americans died.

While I do not think 9/11, the shooting, etc. were staged by the government and media, I think they are exploited to make us more fearful and easily controlled. For whatever reason, liberals seem to have an irrational fear of mass shooters while conservatives have an irrational fear of terrorists. And we're all afraid of child abducters, African viruses, etc.

Not that we shouldn't have some fear of these things, and take some steps to reduce them, but it's nothing to completely restructure our society over.

It also makes me think of gated communities and stuff like that. You know, there are now gated communities, IN gated communities? You have to go through a guard to get into the big community. Then you have to enter a gate code to get into the sub-community. Like, dude, did you testify against the mob or something?

I know I pull this number out every time. I actually thought 13,000 people a year die of food poisoning but it seems to be 3-5000. Still, a 9/11+ every year. And over 100,000 hospitalizations. Everybody knows about deaths on the roads. etc. But we all eat food we left out for a while, we all speed, we all drive when tired, etc. Because we haven't become consumed with fear over this greater threats. Only the ones on the news.

This seems to drive gun ownership/behavior as well. People seem to spend a lot of time worrying that a serial killer is going to pick their house at random or something.

Ultimately, we all gonna die. But living in fear is optional. So I don't want the strip to turn into an Israeli airport.
billryan
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October 10th, 2017 at 3:47:12 PM permalink
A lawsuit was filed today against Slide Fire Solutions by the law firm of Eglet Price. Don't know much about them beyond the fact they aren't one of the seemingly hundreds of attorneys who advertise heavily on Vegas television.
Evidently, Slide Fire makes bump stocks.
FleaStiff
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October 10th, 2017 at 4:55:15 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

The guy is holed up with an arsenal of weapons and shooting out the door. What should the hotel do?

Send Room Service to the room or perhaps dial 911 and report 'shots fired, room 3215".
AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2017 at 8:19:04 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Max,

You're kidding me, right? Doubling down on insulting the forum?

4 days break.

People are hearing you and responding on the merits, and you've even gotten some thank yous. Your thoughts on the sublect are welcome, including refuting those you disagree with. It's even more important on a topic like this that we all have a voice.

But ya gotta be civil. I know you know this. See you in a few.

And yet, what was said about all Filipino women is ok? I think he may have made a triple down.
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October 10th, 2017 at 8:40:22 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

And yet, what was said about all Filipino women is ok? I think he may have made a triple down.



I don't think one implies the other.

But he's talking mainly about someone who's become a public figure, not about forum members to my knowledge ,on a famously misogynistic board. All grey areas re:suspension.

The double hit is directly in contravention of forum rules, and has precedent.

I think both sets of comments are deflection anyway.
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Rigondeaux
October 10th, 2017 at 9:19:44 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I'm not sure about it. We're already a culture of fear. As others have pointed out, Americans are a pretty safe people on the whole. Violent crime is down.



Violent crime is not down, life saving technologies are up. Just because homicide rate is decreasing doesn't mean ATTEMPTED homocide rate is
Rigondeaux
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October 11th, 2017 at 4:51:48 AM permalink
A friend of mine wrote an article discussing the character of Las Vegas and encouraging people to return.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/10/06/i-help-make-the-magic-of-las-vegas-happen-tourists-please-come-back/?utm_term=.ea1c0fa47f11#comments

Viewers watching the tragedy and its aftermath unfold might understandably see Las Vegas as some sort of grown-up Disneyland on steroids, but below the surface there is another side that Id like to share: Underneath the glitter and neon and wild, over-the-top excess, Vegas is a town made up of ordinary people whose mission in life is to show you a good time and Im one of them. Now, thanks to last weeks massacre, people like me are likely looking at hard times in the coming months.
FleaStiff
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October 11th, 2017 at 5:22:45 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Vegas is a town made up of ordinary people whose mission in life is to show you a good time and Im one of them. Now, thanks to last weeks massacre, people like me are likely looking at hard times in the coming months.

The only people getting rich in Vegas in the near future are the lawyers and they are notoriously poor tippers.

Shooter fired on fuel storage tanks but it may have been to illuminate his targets.

Did unearned income from family business interests emasculate the shooter? Did years of living off comps warp his spirit?
MrV
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October 11th, 2017 at 8:04:48 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The only people getting rich in Vegas in the near future are the lawyers and they are notoriously poor tippers.



Do you believe that the lawyers will "get rich" by successfully suing MGM or other individuals / entities for negligence or some other legal theory arising out of the massacre?

I've no doubt that they're salivating at the prospect of a huge payday, but I cannot envision a successful legal theory / strategy for them to employ to get there.

Thus far I see no basis to sue MGM, the event promoters, or law enforcement: what do you see that I don't?

Of course they will receive and apportion Paddock's reamaining assets, but I see little if any prospect, based on information currently available, that would allow them to get "rich" by successfully identifying and suing a target defendant with deep pockets.
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