Nathan
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October 4th, 2016 at 7:05:31 PM permalink
Would you please stop comparing me to Kentry? Like I said before, I am a newish member and am NOT Kentry! I promise!
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
Wizardofnothing
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October 4th, 2016 at 7:06:23 PM permalink
I didn't compare I said check with him or look at old threads and see how well that idea worked for him
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October 4th, 2016 at 7:07:07 PM permalink
The implication was there.
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
Wizardofnothing
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October 4th, 2016 at 7:08:57 PM permalink
Only in your head
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October 4th, 2016 at 7:13:41 PM permalink
Okay, it's time to turn this thread back to the OP's original dilemma. OP, why not take a small break from gambling for a about a month and then sporadically gamble, like once every week with a very limited bankroll like say, $20, win or lose? And when the $20 is gone, you go home?
Guy "won" less than his bet and the slot machine had the audacity to tell him he got a big win! SMH! Also, the Nintendo cartridge is so much more important than the Nintendo console. Without the cartridge, the Nintendo console is just a useless box.
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October 4th, 2016 at 7:54:34 PM permalink
Double your bet so you win faster in half the time
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October 4th, 2016 at 8:30:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's not that simple and everyone is different. There's many different reasons people get addicted. There's people who lived happy normal lives people who never took drugs or had depression or emotional problems. Suddenly they get into a car accident and are prescribed drugs and become addicted. Happy teens just having fun drinking consistently can become addicted. They may not have even wanted to drink or do drugs for any reason other than pure pressure.
Apparently for some people, just experimenting with drugs they can quickly become addicted.



I agree that it's multifaceted. But, for one thing, the person who has it all and becomes a junkie is a pretty rare story, which is why it stands out. Maybe a lot of those people are living to meet the expectations of others, or have a secret nobody else knows. Look at Bruce Jenner. Had absolutely everything you could want in life. Looks, brains, money, fame, greatest athlete in the world. But...

What I think is true though, is that we all have different things that could trigger our addictions, if we are disposed to them. I like stimulants, I like gambling to a certain degree, but I could never become addicted to those things. Downers are another story, which is why I never tried H.

In any case, the OP certainly seems to have a high level of alienation and isolation in his life. Sounds like a kid most would be proud of. In college, and working and SAVING money. Yet, he has one weakness and he thinks (rightly or wrongly) that his family will react by "demonizing" him. That fits in exactly with this stuff.

Anyway, if you like videos more than articles, here is a guy making the same points at a Ted Talk.



Here's another guy, with a different outlook. Somewhat of a goofy character. I'm not sure to what extent I agree, but I think he makes a good case. Basically, the root of all addiction is an inability to face emptiness. We have small addictions, like, maybe arguing about politics online. Bigger ones, like maybe porn or shopping. And then the major ones that can ruin your life, like gambling or drugs. All of them are about creating noise to cover up the emptiness, which is a kind of emotional immaturity.

Kind of extreme, but I think fundamentally sound. If you can be at peace and detached, you won't need stimulation to make you happy. But, that is a really big if. I don't think it's necessarily wise to attempt leaping from serious addict, into becoming a monk. However, since doing this sort of stuff, at a much lower level, I've found it far easier to curb little "addictions,: like having dessert too often.



What I think ties all of these together is that hardcore addiction occurs when you find something that makes you feel REALLY good, AND you don't feel that great most of the time. If you go from a 2/10 to a 9/10, you want that feeling all the time. You are unhappy whenever you don't have it for long. If you go from a 8/10 to a 10/10 or a 5/10 to a 7/10 then it's just a good time.

So, in order to get permanently better, you need to raise that 2/10.
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October 4th, 2016 at 9:22:38 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze



3. You control your target stop playing point (by setting a target win amount and a target loss amount). When you hit either, stop playing.

Every session is a new session.

Every time you want to go gambling, play with your slot machine piggy bank In the end, you will be a winner.

JD:"Every session is a new session." <<<And that's what gets people in trouble in the first place. This is all betting system stop win/stop loss gambler's fallacy type talk. It's all just one big long session. The quicker people understand that the better off hey will be. New days, new sessions or whatever is just a state of mind and a way to trick yourself.

HELLO!! Did everyone miss this part? Dyvan13: "I put my first passline bet down and felt nothing but bliss, despite winning or losing....." Dyvan13: Gambling is bliss. <<< That's a big problem.

I forget all about my problems and obligations as long as there is a bet on the passline, even though I know he's going to seven-out. And as soon as he seven-outs, I'm reaching into my pockets for more and more., chasing my losses blah blah blah until I'm broke as hell, driving home telling myself "I'm quitting gambling." But then I wake up the next day and the cycle repeats. <<< That's a huge problem.

When did the OP write this post? I mean, did he write it just after playing one night until he was broke driving home telling myself "I'm quitting gambling". All after a night of regret? Yet the next day the cycle just continues?

JD: "Every time you want to go gambling, play with your slot machine piggy bank In the end, you will be a winner." *Rolls eyes* Do you really think something like that is going to help someone who's got a serious gambling problem?

It doesn't sound like he's stolen money, alienated his family, lost any jobs

He is really young so there's plenty of time for him to get help and STOP GAMBLING PERIOD. Or there's plenty of for him to completely destroy his life.

Every response should be the following. STOP GAMBLING AND GET HELP!!!
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Oct 5, 2016
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2016 at 9:36:54 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Okay, it's time to turn this thread back to the OP's original dilemma. OP, why not take a small break from gambling for a about a month and then sporadically gamble, like once every week with a very limited bankroll like say, $20, win or lose? And when the $20 is gone, you go home?

NO!!!

Quit trying to convince yourself.


Regarding this subject: PLEASE GO AWAY !!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Rigondeaux
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October 4th, 2016 at 9:45:38 PM permalink
I agree. All of this stuff about taking a friend with you to keep you under control... why TF would you do that?!!

"I'm a crack addict."

"Oh, no problem. Just go tot he crack house with a friend and have him restrain you from smoking more after the first few hits."

No. You need to stop smoking crack.

Even when it's "under control," -ev gambling is a bad habit. You give up your money, time and mental energy and get nothing in return. Even if there is some chance he could pull it off, it's still a net loss. Why shoot for a net loss instead of a win?

+ev gambling isn't a good solution either. Very few succeed at it WITHOUT an addiction. With an addiction, it's a huge long shot. Dude is in college, and has plenty of better paths to making money. Quit gambling and pick up a professional certification with that time and energy, like maybe a teaching credential. A few extra (easy) classes, and you'll always have a plan B.

If someone is an alcoholic, they shouldn't try to become a professional wine taster or start a microbrewery. If you have a shopping addiction, you shouldn't aspire to become an e-bay pro.

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