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AlanMendelson
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October 9th, 2015 at 10:21:51 AM permalink
It might be worthwhile if we knew who has a relationship with casinos. The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.
Boz
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October 9th, 2015 at 10:31:58 AM permalink
Many on here has stated what they do and what segment on the industry they are in.

Is this something you think people need to show and have verified before they post?

Many of us learn through time about people on here and then determine what you do with any information they provide. I believe most of us know not to believe everything we read on the internet.
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October 9th, 2015 at 10:40:30 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Many on here has stated what they do and what segment on the industry they are in.

Is this something you think people need to show and have verified before they post?

Many of us learn through time about people on here and then determine what you do with any information they provide. I believe most of us know not to believe everything we read on the internet.

I'm in agreement with this. We have a few verified casino employees here who have been helpful, upfront and positive posters.
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RS
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October 9th, 2015 at 11:01:05 AM permalink
For those who know the name of my employer(s) [past, present, future], I ask you not to reveal to others publicly nor privately what my relation is with them.

But as I've said at least a few times, I deal craps in Las Vegas.
Zcore13
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October 9th, 2015 at 11:30:37 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It might be worthwhile if we knew who has a relationship with casinos. The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.



What about the bias of people with pre-conceived ideas of dice influence, casinos being bad, dealers not deserving tips, dice being unbalanced, etc etc etc. Is everyone supposed to label themselves for your convenience?


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MathExtremist
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October 9th, 2015 at 11:36:12 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It might be worthwhile if we knew who has a relationship with casinos. The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.

Your implication appears to be that casino employees are more likely to be liars than the average person. Is this really what you believe?
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October 9th, 2015 at 11:38:03 AM permalink
You can click on anyone profile and look under "occupation".

Granted it's not reuqired to fill out, and anyone can put anything. And, if a casino was dead set on putting a plant on here they would be intelligant enough to work around any occupation filters that there were.

But biases can come in any form, sure employees might be more keen to give casinos the benifit of the doubt, but likewise APs, might be keen to always side with other APs... everyone has a bias on touchy issues relating to legal actions in casinos.

Attempting to vet people to prove they have never been a casino employee would be impossible unless the site demanded SSNs and full personal history, and ran an employment history and background check, and even that is not full proof, and casinos can easily hire contractors to post in their favor, so that would be almost pointless.

And, if the site demanded all of that info, they would probably lose the majority of the current posters.
MrV
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October 9th, 2015 at 12:00:26 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.



What "danger?"

What"disinformation?"

Alan, if you seriously believe that casino employees come here to deliberately plant false information in hopes of furthering some murky agenda, I'm afraid you're probably experiencing a paranoid delusion.

What specific post or series of posts caused you to distill this belief?
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October 9th, 2015 at 12:43:22 PM permalink
I highly doubt that any casino would go to such lengths as setting up ciphers to disseminate disinformation.

However, I suppose there is something to fear of AP's on here giving out truthful info on plays and casino employees recognizing it pertains to their casino and moving to surreptitiously shut down such activities.

There is nothing to do in this scenario except keep lips shut. Loose lips sink battleships (and since Alan asked in another thread, there is an example of the word loose being a real word).

EDIT: he actually said loosing is not a real word so we can't have AP's go about loosing secrets to the world haphazardly, we never know who's listening :)
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RonC
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October 9th, 2015 at 12:52:16 PM permalink
Assume everyone works for the casinos if you don't want casinos to learn something. Example--an AP play that you have figured out how to exploit and they have not. This does not include dice setting/influencing/controlling because a casino is nuts to care about something until it is proven to work. Not that they don't; just that they shouldn't...

Assume no one works for the casinos if it doesn't matter. Example--the stuff on the gaming commissions position on dice sliding being a way of cheating and dice setting/influencing/control being a means of rolling the dice randomly just like everyone else (until real scientific proof of an individual's ability...blah, blah, blah....) is public info.
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October 9th, 2015 at 2:23:54 PM permalink
I think most of us who do work in the industry have mentioned it in at least one posting if not several postings. In case it has been missed: I work as an Internal Auditor for a native casino. Guess you could say I work on the dark side of the dark side.

Edited for ugly typing mistake, sorry
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October 9th, 2015 at 3:13:57 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It might be worthwhile if we knew who has a relationship with casinos. The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.



The same could be said for those who are adamant believers in systems, DI, magic monkeys or other aspects of gambling.
Should there be a classification for those with gambling addictions? casual gamblers? poker players?
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October 9th, 2015 at 3:22:41 PM permalink
In high school I had a bias towards Farah Fawcett's poster, nothing since
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October 9th, 2015 at 4:01:33 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

In high school I had a bias towards Farah Fawcett's poster, nothing since



Lol, I still have that poster somewhere in my brother's house.
Zcore13
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October 9th, 2015 at 4:04:39 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

In high school I had a bias towards Farah Fawcett's poster, nothing since



I loved Farah's Faucets. :) You must be around the same age as me.


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October 9th, 2015 at 4:12:20 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.


This is a joke, right? No I am serious.......did you accidently leave off the "jk....haha" before hitting Post?
Zcore13
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October 9th, 2015 at 4:17:09 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This is a joke, right? No I am serious.......did you accidently leave off the "jk....haha" before hitting Post?



Notice how he hasn't been back. How do you unsay something like that??


ZCore13
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October 9th, 2015 at 4:37:29 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

How do you unsay something like that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHPosT8xPAg

How about one which reads egotism from all directions?
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October 9th, 2015 at 5:35:50 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

In high school I had a bias towards Farah Fawcett's poster, nothing since



Sounds like a boner not a bias. :)
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October 9th, 2015 at 7:26:17 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It might be worthwhile if we knew who has a relationship with casinos. The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.



Well, this might be the most unproductive thread from you ever, Alan. I like very much that we have a mix of pros, from those in the casino business directly, to those who supply them, to those who use them, and most everybody has self-identified their role. I would hope no one took themselves to be less than welcome here with this kind of pot-stirring. And I do think it's worth knowing a little about most of the regulars so their "bias" can be taken into account, but anybody who posts garbage generally gets called on it, Like now.
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October 9th, 2015 at 11:54:14 PM permalink
I fully support the idea.

We also need an label for everyone regarding their attitude towards gambling in these categories:

"Advantage Player"
"Recreational Player"
"Betting System Player"

That way when I ask a question and get an advice from a "Betting System Player" I know I can safely ignore that.
RS
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October 10th, 2015 at 2:06:50 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

I fully support the idea.

We also need an label for everyone regarding their attitude towards gambling in these categories:

"Advantage Player"
"Recreational Player"
"Betting System Player"

That way when I ask a question and get an advice from a "Betting System Player" I know I can safely ignore that.



This would be higher on the list than "where do people work" is.
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October 10th, 2015 at 7:46:18 AM permalink
I'm am opinionated but you are biased ..... Classic forum cliche
So Wizard, still no basic strategy for strip poker huh?
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October 10th, 2015 at 8:05:40 AM permalink
Please...nobody ask Alan what is the only casino game the player fully controls. That lame discussion might never end
Zcore13
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October 10th, 2015 at 8:12:53 AM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

Please...nobody ask Alan what is the only casino game the player fully controls. That lame discussion might never end



Are you saying he might be bias, without the availabilty of proven facts??

Now I'm starting to agree about this declaring your bias thing. I am asking anyone who has a bias for or against cata, dogs, casinos, dice, dealers, religion, vegitarians, police officers, politicians, construction workers, the USPS, bigfoot, France, the NHL, corn dogs or spiders to disclose this before commenting on any and all posts I participate in.

Thank you.


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MrV
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October 10th, 2015 at 8:44:57 AM permalink
I don't like dogs, especially the so-called "service dogs" accompanying neurotic little old ladies in the casino.

I love bigfoot: he was the first DI, and the Captain's mentor (Alan scooped it and reported it first).
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October 10th, 2015 at 11:03:45 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It might be worthwhile if we knew who has a relationship with casinos. The bias of being a dealer or manager of a casino might come into play in various discussions. I would not ignore the danger of disinformation.

what exactly IS that DANGER?

donut you give out "disinformation"?

you are a reporter by trade, are u knot?

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October 10th, 2015 at 11:10:24 AM permalink
Quote: Neutrino


We also need an label for everyone regarding their attitude towards gambling in these categories:

"Advantage Player"
"Recreational Player"
"Betting System Player"

That way when I ask a question and get an advice from a "Betting System Player" I know I can safely ignore that.


How about if you combine more than just one category? Crossover hybrids should be allowed. And in my case the percentage of each category varies from session to session.
MrV
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October 10th, 2015 at 11:28:46 AM permalink
Or, since some guys like to play a "mine is bigger" game of oneupmanship, what about requiring full disclosure of a fellow's "package size" so that those who care can take the measure of the man?"

J/K: That's no more absurd than Alan's original suggestion.
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October 10th, 2015 at 2:03:09 PM permalink
The best suggestion I can make ALAN IS TO APPLY THIS TO YOUR FOURM AND THEN COME HERE AND TELL IA HOW FRIGGING POORLY IT WORKEd
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October 10th, 2015 at 3:10:51 PM permalink
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October 13th, 2015 at 12:16:32 PM permalink
Quote: RS

For those who know the name of my employer(s) [past, present, future], I ask you not to reveal to others publicly nor privately what my relation is with them.

But as I've said at least a few times, I deal craps in Las Vegas.



You must tell me where so I can come visit you!
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October 15th, 2015 at 8:15:17 AM permalink
Allan, where are you? You've posted on other topics but never returned here. Were you trolling or looking to delve into your theory?



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October 17th, 2015 at 10:30:38 AM permalink
Quote: Exoter175

Quote: RS

For those who know the name of my employer(s) [past, present, future], I ask you not to reveal to others publicly nor privately what my relation is with them.

But as I've said at least a few times, I deal craps in Las Vegas.



You must tell me where so I can come visit you!

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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