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May 27th, 2015 at 1:38:45 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

There are a few of us that are in related businesses. Table games management, slot design, math, etc. We've offered advice that would cost tens of thousands of dollars from a consultant. They don't listen.

Exactly. Many inexperienced game developers, both slots and TG, hold fast to one grand idea. The approach that big slot companies (IGT, Aristocrat, Bally, WMS, etc. -- I can't recall who merged with whom) have taken with traditional slots has been to develop scores of ideas, put them out on the floor, and see which ones work. It's evolution, nothing more. Then, they clone that one successful game into a dozen others. E.g., Queen of the Nile, Double Diamonds, etc. The same will go for skill-based slots. The vast majority of ideas will fail.
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May 27th, 2015 at 2:05:52 PM permalink
Ahigh or Steve, has Nanotech actually partnered with any company that has a Nevada slot manufacturers license to build this game or is it still a concept you are trying to sell other manufacturers on?

Thanks and good luck.
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May 27th, 2015 at 2:52:52 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Exactly. Many inexperienced game developers, both slots and TG, hold fast to one grand idea. The approach that big slot companies (IGT, Aristocrat, Bally, WMS, etc. -- I can't recall who merged with whom) have taken with traditional slots has been to develop scores of ideas, put them out on the floor, and see which ones work. It's evolution, nothing more. Then, they clone that one successful game into a dozen others. E.g., Queen of the Nile, Double Diamonds, etc. The same will go for skill-based slots. The vast majority of ideas will fail.



This is a quote on another forum from late last year. The same conversation was being carried on over their as here. Members trying to help with advice. One member saying specifically, "I am your target audience. I go to a local pinball bar twice a month or so and I love the game." and then offering his opinion.

The reply from a member of 10 years there:

Quote: 10 Year Forum Member

Not sure why you came and posted here. Not like you're actually listening to any of the feedback you're getting.



7 pages of someone trying to explain how great the game is, with responses from actual gamblers saying that's not how things work and replies back from the someone implying they don't understand and talking down to them.

So it's not just us...


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May 27th, 2015 at 3:50:32 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13



So it's not just us...
ZCore13



Say what you want about Ahigh, he's
single minded. When he gets an idea
and believes in it, he goes for it no
matter what anybody tells him, even
experts. Look at dice control. He was
absolutely convinced to the point he
put a full sized table in his home.
He screamed at us his till his face was
blue that dice control was possible. It
took losing real money in the real
world that finally showed him that it
can't be done in a casino. I still don't
think he's convinced.

He'll do the same with this pinball thing.
He's a real smart guy, too smart. Too
smart for his own good, as my dad used
to say.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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May 27th, 2015 at 4:16:02 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Thanks and good luck.



Thanks for the well-wishes, bud. If you want to come by and visit us at the office, let me know. I can tell you things under NDA if you're curious, and I think I know you well enough and trust you enough that we could do that.

But I can't answer these sorts of questions on this forum. I'm sure you understand.
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May 27th, 2015 at 4:46:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Thanks for the well-wishes, bud. If you want to come by and visit us at the office, let me know. I can tell you things under NDA if you're curious, and I think I know you well enough and trust you enough that we could do that.

But I can't answer these sorts of questions on this forum. I'm sure you understand.



I appreciate the offer but I am not interested in anything that hasn't been announced yet. I sure hope we get to see your game on a platform of a major manufacturer at the gaming show (hopefully GTECH or SCI-GAMES). If one of those companies buys into it I will be less skeptical about the concept.
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May 27th, 2015 at 4:57:19 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I appreciate the offer but I am not interested in anything that hasn't been announced yet. I sure hope we get to see your game on a platform of a major manufacturer at the gaming show (hopefully GTECH or SCI-GAMES). If one of those companies buys into it I will be less skeptical about the concept.



In my opinion, that is their only real option. The Gaming Lab gas no sales force. I'm sure they are not licensed to distribute games anywhere except maybe Las Vegas (if even that). NanoTech Entertainment recently split the Lab into its own company and own stock symbol, probably to get what so far has been a money pit off their books and make the separate division sell-able without affecting the main business of 4k streaming and distribution.

I think there has to be at minimum a partnership to distribute and service. It would most likely be hugely incentive heavy, meaning if the distributor can't sell (lease) the product, it doesn't really cost them anything. Scientific Games definitely has the money to take a flyer on it and just buy the whole company, but I kind of doubt they would do it with zero proof of concept.

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May 27th, 2015 at 6:00:08 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I appreciate the offer but I am not interested in anything that hasn't been announced yet. I sure hope we get to see your game on a platform of a major manufacturer at the gaming show (hopefully GTECH or SCI-GAMES).



Well, I appreciate those sentiments very much. We would be nowhere without the support of our friends and family.
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May 28th, 2015 at 9:08:41 AM permalink
Stephen Riesenberger was having sign-in problems and trying to fix them by making new ID's. We got that straightened out, and his future postings will be under "stv2049" at his preference. The other ID's he's made since then have been deactivated, which is why you will see them in red in this thread. He continues to be welcome in the forum.
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May 28th, 2015 at 1:08:22 PM permalink
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May 28th, 2015 at 6:38:11 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Stephen Riesenberger was having sign-in problems and trying to fix them by making new ID's. /q] sign-in problems? The guy helped build a complex pinball gaming system. What possible sign-in problems could one be having?

Bob probably uses a computer from 1990 without any login problems.

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May 28th, 2015 at 7:03:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



Bob probably uses a computer from 1990 without any login problems.



How did I get dragged into this? I
have a 2013 HP.
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May 28th, 2015 at 7:12:24 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: beachbumbabs

Stephen Riesenberger was having sign-in problems and trying to fix them by making new ID's. /q] sign-in problems? The guy helped build a complex pinball gaming system. What possible sign-in problems could one be having?

Bob probably uses a computer from 1990 without any login problems.



The guy with 7600+ posts on here can't quote legibly. Pot, meet kettle. :)...lol
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May 28th, 2015 at 7:17:09 PM permalink
I almost never have sign-in problems. Usually equivalent to the number of times I log out. Next to never.
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May 28th, 2015 at 9:58:14 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

The guy with 7600+ posts on here can't quote legibly. Pot, meet kettle. :)...lol

That's a choice of not caring and easily done however I haven't ever had a problem logging in.

You didn't answer the question. I'll assume he just thought better of using his real name or something like that.

Rather than have everyone bitch and ask for a name change it was filled under sign up problems.
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May 29th, 2015 at 8:24:31 AM permalink
Veering back on topic, I'd like to hear what other ideas folks have regarding skill-based games in the casino.

How do you see manufacturers addressing this topic?

I only know of a few other companies and individuals who are thinking in this space and sharing their progress with the public; I'm curious to hear what the big boys' (SGMS, GTK) response is to Senate Bill 9. Their silence is delicious!

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August 9th, 2015 at 7:49:31 PM permalink
Listen to my 12 minutes!
http://nanotechgaming.com/mp3/sb9_hearing.mp3
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August 10th, 2015 at 1:12:32 AM permalink
I just want a list of the pinball installs, when
is that coming? Surely one casino has signed
on. It's been like forever, already. Ahigh has
admitted everything is riding on this game.

Where are they playing it..
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August 10th, 2015 at 1:52:24 AM permalink
I think that's unfair. This game is very good. It may need a few tweaks but its an incredible game. I'm wondering if they are hell bent on a as is or nothing attitude and refuse to make any changes that could entice a casino to give it a go.

I think it would be more addictive than the average slot, VP or table game to the right people. I can see high rollers spending a ton of time playing it once they try it a few times. Especially someone who knows better than to play slots.

I'm surprised no one has one yet. I don't know whats causing the resistance. Perhaps its the cost(that's probably a big concern), regulations, personnel or reputation.

I'm confidant it will get played a fair amount if a casino gives it a chance.

Others have tried to create a casino pinball game but they haven't come close to what they have achieved.
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August 10th, 2015 at 6:24:24 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just want a list of the pinball installs, when
is that coming? Surely one casino has signed
on. It's been like forever, already. Ahigh has
admitted everything is riding on this game.

Where are they playing it..



I was able to obtain the list for you.

List of Casino installs:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.


On a side note, this STV guy only seems to be here to advertise his business. He's not here to contribute to the forum. Nobody cared about his previous post, which leads me to believe most people understand that.



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August 10th, 2015 at 10:02:10 AM permalink
As far as contributing to the forum, and this thread in particular, I am here to share information on Senate Bill nine.

http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=52

In addition to the written documents submitted by AGEM, Gamblit, and others beforehand, I was able to voice my comments and questions during the public hearing last week.

As far as my business, in this topic, since our work at NanoTech Gaming stands to benefit because of the language in this legislation, I will by all means be shamelessly promoting it!

Stay tuned folks because we're still doing it!

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August 10th, 2015 at 11:56:40 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



I'm surprised no one has one yet. I don't know whats causing the resistance. .



Seriously? You have no idea? Wow.
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August 10th, 2015 at 8:09:56 PM permalink
Quote: stv2049

Listen to my 12 minutes!

http://nanotechgaming.com/mp3/sb9_hearing.mp3



I can still read Zcore's comments when people taste his troll juice and quote him.

FIX IT!
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August 10th, 2015 at 8:49:58 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I can still read Zcore's comments when people taste his troll juice and quote him.

FIX IT!



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August 10th, 2015 at 9:28:00 PM permalink
I didn't know what Reddit was until I watched "the internet's own boy."

I found that story fascinating.
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August 10th, 2015 at 10:56:58 PM permalink
With no stake in the personal beefs, I found this thread very interesting. It's silly to question a game developer posting about his game on a gambling forum. I bet of some guy who works with The Cowboys posted on an NFL forum, people wouldn't complain.

I wonder if there's some problem with immediately telling a player where their score stands. It seems to me, that makes the game more easily vulture-able. Maybe it should be harder to figure out if you are at as far as being at an advantage or disadvantage vs. the player pool on a given machine.

But the basic issue seems to be players taking money out of the casino economy. In most cases, they don't like this because dedicated, winning players will spend the money elsewhere, while degens will be more likely to lose it back, or treat themselves in the shops or restaurants.

However, casinos do tolerate "AP" poker players, who remove money from the player pool and spend it on rent and groceries. They will also tolerate winning sports players to a certain degree.

So, to figure out if they will tolerate this, I guess you have to figure out why they tolerate winners in poker and, to a degree sports.

One thing, working in your favor, is sports and poker guys just like to learn the game, show up and try to beat it. They aren't the types who like to walk around looking for inflated jackpots, or trying to find flaws in games, or weak dealers. It's just a different mentality and the casinos must take their business or leave it. Plus, many of them are losers who lose slowly enough to be able to delude themselves. Plus, plus, many of them do, in fact, spend money in the shops and restaurants, or their wives do.

They could just make the games horribly raked, as they do in foreign countries, but it seems like they do better with a full room containing some winners than the 9 dumbest players in the city paying 10% rake with no max.

What I think could ultimately work well, once the barrier is broken, is to just use the poker structure. Have 10 people, perhaps linked from different casinos, playing against each other in a real time competition and take a rake.

Edit: the game looks great and I would absolutely give it a shot.
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August 11th, 2015 at 3:32:44 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Seriously? You have no idea? Wow.

No I haven't been keeping up with their progress. I guess its not not yet licensed in Nevada. Even then, I don't know the cost per machine or kind of deal they are proposing to casinos.
I would assume they would offer someone a free trial but I don't know exactly how game placement works. Eventually I do believe we will have something similar to this in casinos.

It was certainly one of the most fun and interesting games at GE2. I'm not the only one who though that.
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August 11th, 2015 at 11:55:53 AM permalink
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It was certainly one of the most fun and interesting games at GE2. I'm not the only one who though that.



The casino could care less. They want games
that make them money for the floor space
they take up. Pinball never will for the 15
reasons we already gave.
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August 11th, 2015 at 12:36:31 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

With no stake in the personal beefs, I found this thread very interesting. It's silly to question a game developer posting about his game on a gambling forum. I bet of some guy who works with The Cowboys posted on an NFL forum, people wouldn't complain.

I wonder if there's some problem with immediately telling a player where their score stands. It seems to me, that makes the game more easily vulture-able. Maybe it should be harder to figure out if you are at as far as being at an advantage or disadvantage vs. the player pool on a given machine.

But the basic issue seems to be players taking money out of the casino economy. In most cases, they don't like this because dedicated, winning players will spend the money elsewhere, while degens will be more likely to lose it back, or treat themselves in the shops or restaurants.

However, casinos do tolerate "AP" poker players, who remove money from the player pool and spend it on rent and groceries. They will also tolerate winning sports players to a certain degree.

So, to figure out if they will tolerate this, I guess you have to figure out why they tolerate winners in poker and, to a degree sports.

One thing, working in your favor, is sports and poker guys just like to learn the game, show up and try to beat it. They aren't the types who like to walk around looking for inflated jackpots, or trying to find flaws in games, or weak dealers. It's just a different mentality and the casinos must take their business or leave it. Plus, many of them are losers who lose slowly enough to be able to delude themselves. Plus, plus, many of them do, in fact, spend money in the shops and restaurants, or their wives do.

They could just make the games horribly raked, as they do in foreign countries, but it seems like they do better with a full room containing some winners than the 9 dumbest players in the city paying 10% rake with no max.

What I think could ultimately work well, once the barrier is broken, is to just use the poker structure. Have 10 people, perhaps linked from different casinos, playing against each other in a real time competition and take a rake.

Edit: the game looks great and I would absolutely give it a shot.



A very solid and supportive post, and I thank you.

I may be able to respond with more detail later tonight if you have specific questions, but I wanted to respond right away and say "thank you" for your comments.
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August 11th, 2015 at 1:19:53 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

A very solid and supportive post, and I thank you.

I may be able to respond with more detail later tonight if you have specific questions, but I wanted to respond right away and say "thank you" for your comments.



Hopefully you've taken the last year and listened to all the excellent feedback you've received here and made some changes. A lower price point, shorter game and easier explanation of how to win and gain an advantage are all needed for the game to have a shot at long term placement.

Hope you FIXED IT.


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August 11th, 2015 at 1:30:43 PM permalink
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Hopefully you've taken the last year and listened to all the excellent feedback you've received here and made some changes. A lower price point, shorter game and easier explanation of how to win and gain an advantage



I don't see how any of those are possible.
It has to be high priced to stand a chance
of making any money for the casino. Game
length depends on skill level, get a good
player and he will always play for a long
time. And if you can't explain it in under
20 seconds, most people will glaze over
and wander away.
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August 11th, 2015 at 9:50:03 PM permalink
Seems about a million times easier to learn than Omaha 8. Or, for that matter, pai gow tiles.

I don't think I articulated the different types all that well. Slots and so forth would do just fine without APs. If every successful AP in the world disappeared tomorrow, casinos would probably love it.

Winning poker and sports players serve a purpose. Poker players fill out games. Sports bettors balance the action, when it's wanted.

More importantly, they prove the games are beatable. You get a lot of guys who see that, and aspire to do the same, or believe they are winners when they are losers or break even. But they can only believe that because they know it is possible.

Not many people believe they are lifetime winners on slots, unless of course, they are, due to some huge jackpot.

On top of that, in a game of skill and luck, the less skilled player can often defeat the more skilled player. By luck, sure. But also by outplaying him in one hand, or one day. Not everybody is always on their A game. Sometimes you're just in the zone.

And all of this, brings in a type of customer who is not very interested in slots or baccarat. And some who are interested in both.

People love playing games of skill for money. Look at daily fantasy. I'm pretty skeptical about that being beatable by anyone but a very small minority. Their rake is insane. But it's a billion dollar industry, almost overnight.

Imagine, say, a fighting game. A battle royale, with a dozen players from different casinos, slugging it out. Top 3 get paid, 10% rake. Or a game where each player is a fighter pilot. I just can't imagine there not being a market for it.

I guess that would be my question. What about the poker model, where you compete against your foes in real time and a rake is taken? I think that would also cut down on stuff like vulturing a machine that had been used by a soft player pool.

The way you do it now is better initially, to get things going. But is that a possibility?
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August 11th, 2015 at 11:20:47 PM permalink
I particularly want a street fighter (2 player) type of skill based game.
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
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August 12th, 2015 at 2:44:27 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Imagine, say, a fighting game. A battle royale, with a dozen players from different casinos, slugging it out. Top 3 get paid, 10% rake. Or a game where each player is a fighter pilot. I just can't imagine there not being a market for it.

I guess that would be my question. What about the poker model, where you compete against your foes in real time and a rake is taken? I think that would also cut down on stuff like vulturing a machine that had been used by a soft player pool.

The way you do it now is better initially, to get things going. But is that a possibility?

Yes, it's a possibility, but it's not gambling. Gambling is consideration, chance, and prize. If you remove chance, it's a sport.

A battle royale where the best players win and split a raked pot, that's a sport with betting. You can find those games on the Internet right now (skill-based tournaments) precisely because it's not chance-based and therefore doesn't violate gambling laws.
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September 4th, 2015 at 8:01:25 PM permalink
I think a facebook page went up about our new game, KAT.

https://www.facebook.com/NTGLKat

MEOW MEOW MEOW!
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September 4th, 2015 at 10:44:16 PM permalink
Uh, that's one WEIRD looking cat.

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September 4th, 2015 at 11:06:55 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Yes, it's a possibility, but it's not gambling. Gambling is consideration, chance, and prize. If you remove chance, it's a sport.

A battle royale where the best players win and split a raked pot, that's a sport with betting. You can find those games on the Internet right now (skill-based tournaments) precisely because it's not chance-based and therefore doesn't violate gambling laws.



Isn't the point of the spinning wheel to get around this? I'm sure you could do something similar. Every person you beat up, or shoot down gets you a ball in the hopper or something.

Are the skill based tourneys you're referring to those star craft ones? The seem (inexplicably) popular with young people. But it seems like they have a hard time getting the money flowing all that well. Maybe I'm not up to speed though.
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September 4th, 2015 at 11:08:01 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I think a facebook page went up about our new game, KAT.

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Looks cool. Gave it a like. Good luck.
rudeboyoi
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September 4th, 2015 at 11:19:17 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Isn't the point of the spinning wheel to get around this? I'm sure you could do something similar. Every person you beat up, or shoot down gets you a ball in the hopper or something.

Are the skill based tourneys you're referring to those star craft ones? The seem (inexplicably) popular with young people. But it seems like they have a hard time getting the money flowing all that well. Maybe I'm not up to speed though.



Like maybe you get awarded a random amount of balls in the hopper. It could even be done mario-kart esque style. Where it's weighted that those in the lead are likelier to get a lower amount of balls in the hopper and those far behind are likelier to get a higher number of balls in the hopper.
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October 29th, 2015 at 6:26:37 PM permalink
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Click image to watch video. Full screen at 60 frames per second if you have a fast enough computer with a HD display.

It think it's funny that the you tube preview window on this site is still 4:3 aspect ratio. But I guess it's like how video poker in 2015 still looks like Vic 20 graphics. Gambling, technology is way behind.




Maybe I completely missed something. But from the looks of it, it takes maybe an average of 5 minutes for the casino to get an average of 1% of a bet on a game that can easily be APed. That wouldn't even cover the cost of the machine, electricity, and floor space, let alone turning a profit. Never going to happen. People would be lining up to win $16 every 10 minutes. They're called APs. Everyone else would be spending $3 every 10 seconds to get triple 7s on 79% payback slots without a varying payback that depends on skill. The only way this works is through continuous betting or hi-limit. Also, how do you get a 50% 'range' of EV when it doesn't involve purposely losing? No casino is going to accept that. If your edge 'could' be over 1%, not going to happen; maybe 2% if you have precision math to back that it is worth the cost (VP comes to mind). But up to 23%? Even if this number somehow makes sense computationally, which I doubt, you are then putting the casino in the tenuous position of barring skilled video game players older than 35, which has nothing to do with gambling. You must be (A)high. I hope this is taken as constructive criticism and not something personal. I'm not saying it can't possibly ever work. I'm saying that I don't believe it could possibly be successfully marketed as is.
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October 29th, 2015 at 6:48:56 PM permalink
Just watched the video. Did anybody else find the game boring after a few minutes? More like something you find in a penny arcade. I mean would all the video screens involved in slots now, who would waste their time " standing " and bending over this mickey mouse affair ?
Kneegrows
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October 29th, 2015 at 7:03:00 PM permalink
Quote: bloodoil

Just watched the video. Did anybody else find the game boring after a few minutes? More like something you find in a penny arcade. I mean would all the video screens involved in slots now, who would waste their time " standing " and bending over this mickey mouse affair ?



I didn't find it particularly boring. They have so many stupid and even obnoxious slot machines, I can't imagine finding a cosmetic flaw in this machine that isn't 100x worse in some other machine. I imagine if the game actually came to market, it would be vertically mounted and the people playing it would be sitting.
bloodoil
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October 29th, 2015 at 7:13:36 PM permalink
I think your imagination is wrong. The people behind this game love the present configuration and are thinking of covering it with white fur. Just because there are worse machine does not make this a winner.
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October 31st, 2015 at 10:04:30 AM permalink


LOL. Nice imagery guys.
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