linksjunkie
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April 11th, 2015 at 8:17:35 AM permalink
I miss our old board.

Wiz, Mission, Babs, MickyC, Axel and all thanks for the interesting years of insight on gambling math, strategies etc...

its a shame we don't have much of that anymore.

I'm sorry if this is slightly inappropriate (as i mean no disrespect) - Can anyone recommend another forum similar to the old WOV?
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100xOdds
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April 11th, 2015 at 8:28:08 AM permalink
Quote: linksjunkie

I miss our old board.

Wiz, Mission, Babs, MickyC, Axel and all thanks for the interesting years of insight on gambling math, strategies etc...

its a shame we don't have much of that anymore.

I'm sorry if this is slightly inappropriate (as i mean no disrespect) - Can anyone recommend another forum similar to the old WOV?



how about a little more info?
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RonC
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April 11th, 2015 at 8:58:44 AM permalink
Quote: linksjunkie

I miss our old board.

Wiz, Mission, Babs, MickyC, Axel and all thanks for the interesting years of insight on gambling math, strategies etc...

its a shame we don't have much of that anymore.

I'm sorry if this is slightly inappropriate (as i mean no disrespect) - Can anyone recommend another forum similar to the old WOV?



I disagree but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Is still see lost of insight amongst lots of other stuff. The answer is simple--block any threads you don't want to see and you'll still find a lot of what you like. Sure, it gets farther off track at some points than others; that is kind of like life.

I hope you find what your looking for but I bet it is still right here...you just need to tune out what you don't like.
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April 11th, 2015 at 9:03:06 AM permalink
I also checked a bit on your sparse posting history--about a third of your posts were in threads about non-gambling or non-Las Vegas related things. One way to drive more things to a certain set of topics is to add your comments to those kind of topics...your comments look relevant and helpful at a quick glance.
Greasyjohn
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April 11th, 2015 at 4:32:42 PM permalink
I've thought of saying something along these lines so here goes. Even the most avid gambler who likes the math and strategies of wagering has other interests, hobbies, passions. It can be enjoyable to discuss these things too along with issues and news of the day. I think these forums generally have a membership that is more thoughtful and enlightened than a lot of other sites out there. The wit and exchanges add a more rich texture to the gambling foundation of this site. Getting to know others more personally, to follow their journey. to enjoy their pursuits, gives life to the casino endeavors.

The table of contents and the search feature of this web site will give those whose overriding concern is some aspect of casino gaming the tools they need to pursue their interest in earnest. And if they choose, they can share about other things that interest them as well.
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April 11th, 2015 at 5:01:37 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

I've thought of saying something along these lines so here goes. Even the most avid gambler who likes the math and stratigies of wagering has other interests, hobbies, passions. It can be enjoyable to discuss these things too along with issues and news of the day. I think these forums generally have a membership that is more thoughtful and enlightened than a lot of other sites out there. The wit and exchanges add a more rich texture to the gambling foundation of this site. Getting to know others more personally, to follow their journey. to enjoy their pursuits, gives life to the casino endeavors.

The table of contents and the search feature of this wed site will give those whose overriding concern is some aspect to casino gaming the tools they need to persue their interest in earnest.




Well said
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April 11th, 2015 at 6:54:46 PM permalink
I like this forum and read it every day but I too wish the content was more on topic for gambling. I had hoped when Wizard started the Diversity website that this one would be dedicated to gambling and other topics posted on DiversityTomorrow.
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April 11th, 2015 at 6:59:11 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I like this forum and read it every day but I too wish the content was more on topic for gambling. I had hoped when Wizard started the Diversity website that this one would be dedicated to gambling and other topics posted on DiversityTomorrow.



Talking about gambling on DT is a bannable
offense now.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Greasyjohn
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April 11th, 2015 at 7:06:21 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I like this forum and read it every day but I too wish the content was more on topic for gambling. I had hoped when Wizard started the Diversity website that this one would be dedicated to gambling and other topics posted on DiversityTomorrow.



I hear what your saying, but I just went to DT. There were 2 individuals online and 143 active members. Here there are 5,600 active members, and about 20 times the traffic. Here you can talk about gambling and other interests. Combining the two is a great benefit to the many who enjoy both. If you post at DT you get very limited involvement and sharing as compared to this site. Most of what people post about here that is not gambling related draws from experiences and anecdotes that stem from a thread that is gambling based.

When people post about gambling there are often life experiences, interactions with dealers and other players, socializing and other things that enter the narrative. That opens the door to discuss and share about life experiences. This is a great aspect of this site.
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April 11th, 2015 at 7:34:37 PM permalink
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Talking about gambling on DT is a bannable offense now.[Moved to one line.]


Suggests that there's no future in it?
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
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April 11th, 2015 at 8:17:57 PM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

Quote: EvenBob

Talking about gambling on DT is a bannable offense now.[Moved to one line.]


Suggests that there's no future in it?



Kerkebet,

If I'm not mistaken, you just took a two-line quote by EvenBob and purposefully changed it to be on one line. Then you added a disclaimer that you "[moved to one line]" in order to acknowledge your tampering. Of course, you didn't misquote him. Why would you go through all this trouble? And I know you purposefully moved what he said to one line because I quoted him (and didn't post) and sure enough his quote is on two lines. It appears to me that you are mocking the rules regarding misquoting for which you recently received a 3-day suspension. There is no other rational explanation.

In addition, today you used an expression in one of your posts that "...revenge is a dish best served (stone) cold." This is the kind of sentiment used by someone who wants to get even. Perhaps you used this expression for a purpose I don't understand, but this expression along with what appears to be a mocking of the rules regarding misquoting looks to me like someone looking for trouble.
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April 11th, 2015 at 10:36:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: DRich

I like this forum and read it every day but I too wish the content was more on topic for gambling. I had hoped when Wizard started the Diversity website that this one would be dedicated to gambling and other topics posted on DiversityTomorrow.



Talking about gambling on DT is a bannable
offense now.



Is this true? I didn't see this in the rules at DT.
Mission146
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April 11th, 2015 at 10:43:34 PM permalink
Quote: linksjunkie

I miss our old board.

Wiz, Mission, Babs, MickyC, Axel and all thanks for the interesting years of insight on gambling math, strategies etc...

its a shame we don't have much of that anymore.

I'm sorry if this is slightly inappropriate (as i mean no disrespect) - Can anyone recommend another forum similar to the old WOV?



I'm certainly glad that you enjoyed this Board for as long as you have. However, given that you have twelve posts here, lifetime, I would hasten to point out that the best way to encourage discussion about the things you wish to discuss is to start talking about them.

Certainly, if you have enjoyed the mathematical and strategic analyses of certain games, then there must be some other games and/or scenarios that you would like to see discussed and/or analyzed. This is still a very math-oriented site, and always will be, so if you have any specific things you would like to see addressed, I would encourage you to start a thread and it is almost doubtless that someone will respond.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
EvenBob
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April 12th, 2015 at 12:40:13 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn



Is this true? I didn't see this in the rules at DT.



When Mike sold WoV, he stipulated that
no discussions about gambling will be
allowed on DT, so as to not compete with WoV.

So we talk mostly about Jesus, license
plates, and unicycles. And Face building
tables and race cars.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 12th, 2015 at 4:25:23 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Quote: DRich

I like this forum and read it every day but I too wish the content was more on topic for gambling. I had hoped when Wizard started the Diversity website that this one would be dedicated to gambling and other topics posted on DiversityTomorrow.



I hear what your saying, but I just went to DT. There were 2 individuals online and 143 active members. Here there are 5,600 active members, and about 20 times the traffic. Here you can talk about gambling and other interests. Combining the two is a great benefit to the many who enjoy both. If you post at DT you get very limited involvement and sharing as compared to this site. Most of what people post about here that is not gambling related draws from experiences and anecdotes that stem from a thread that is gambling based.

When people post about gambling there are often life experiences, interactions with dealers and other players, socializing and other things that enter the narrative. That opens the door to discuss and share about life experiences. This is a great aspect of this site.



DT was started as sort of a "relief valve" for WoV. Like most all forums WoV has most of its posts by a few members. I would be interested to see what % of all posts the top 10 members have made and what % have made 80% of all posts. Anyways, Wiz wanted to get WoV back to being a board about Vegas. All OT posts were encouraged to go there. Time to time it drifts back here and DT ebbs and flows.

At the moment I feel DT is like a secret but open club. When some of us want to only address the core membership for whatever reason we post there. It will never be Yahoo! groups or even WoV size. But it is almost like being back in the days of USENET when you found your own little corner with your own little group. All involved seem to like it that way.
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April 12th, 2015 at 4:31:21 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: DRich

I like this forum and read it every day but I too wish the content was more on topic for gambling. I had hoped when Wizard started the Diversity website that this one would be dedicated to gambling and other topics posted on DiversityTomorrow.



Talking about gambling on DT is a bannable
offense now.



Is this true? I didn't see this in the rules at DT.



I check out DT once in a while but it confuses me because it allows spam and takes in members banned from this site.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
Kerkebet
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April 12th, 2015 at 5:38:14 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

If I'm not mistaken, you just took a two-line quote by EvenBob and purposefully changed it to be on one line.


You are not mistaken. However, this was not the first time one of Bob's was tampered with, because I think that people shouldn't have to reread it in that turn-of-the-century form of mass printing. However, this time I thought that I should clearly note my intent because you never know who is going to start to make a federal case out of it. More to say about that later because I don't feel like it now. Just take my word for it.

Quote: Greasyjohn

Then you added a disclaimer that you "[moved to one line]" in order to acknowledge your tampering. Of course, you didn't misquote him. Why would you go through all this trouble? And I know you purposefully moved what he said to one line because I quoted him (and didn't post) and sure enough his quote is on two lines. It appears to me that you are mocking the rules regarding misquoting for which you recently received a 3-day suspension. There is no other rational explanation.


Lol, no other rational explanation. What garbage.

Quote: Greasyjohn

In addition, today you used an expression in one of your posts that "...revenge is a dish best served (stone) cold." This is the kind of sentiment used by someone who wants to get even. Perhaps you used this expression for a purpose I don't understand, but this expression along with what appears to be a mocking of the rules regarding misquoting looks to me like someone looking for trouble.


Highly elliptical arguments from someone who was only recently enlightened about such a form of argument. You again ran with my well-meant words, and completely out of context I might add. The forum seems to be heading back to the superciliously correct beginnings of other agendas when everyone piled on, or condoned that of, the few persons who pointed out essential facts, advice or courtesies.

Second, for what it's worth, I didn't put quotation marks about the stone stuff because I added a word. And, surely, the phrase about waste has become so everyday that people are more likely to complain of excessive punctuation were it to be thus placed. But, if we try hard enough, there would always be something to complain about to make some, in my opinion, inherently silly point. Or, to go on to, in my opinion, cry mommy even after the other person had noted that trouble was not his/her intent. One really should not enter a charged debate on racism (or anything else) until he/she has mastered the nuances. More on this later as well. I'm in no hurry. Let more posters bury themselves. Smart move. Right?

Frankly, I thought the internet crowd was over the stuff of putting "egg shells" ahead of the quickly and accurately getting to the point as arises. The reason that nothing said, etc, may become libel/slander, eg, in a courtroom, itself, or tacitly similar convening. And, one might want to let the distasteful pictures of skinned monkeys, etc, at every turn, for the internet then. You guys. Give the "spears, harpoons, or whatever," a rest.


Add on: Lol, call it "JR's master plan".
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April 12th, 2015 at 6:01:55 AM permalink
Heck, any board is going to be the sum total of those who contribute to it; so if there is something that you feel is lacking here now... let us know or perhaps contribute it yourself.

At DT we've had some fun with photos of Coconut Crabs and only mildly exaggerated stories of their hunting prowess, the possibility of huge but fatal erections on the second bite, Face's unique style of navigation, ... and when you come right down to it its sort of all really about gambling over at DT too. Just a different kind of gambling known as The Good Life.

Do I miss Mustang Sally here? Sure I do. Do I still use my fingers to count? Alas.... yes.
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April 12th, 2015 at 6:11:06 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Heck, any board is going to be the sum total of those who contribute to it; so if there is something that you feel is lacking here now... let us know or perhaps contribute it yourself.


"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

26:47-56 No enemies are so much to be abhorred as those professed disciples that betray Christ with a kiss. God has no need of our services, much less of our sins, to bring about his purposes. Though Christ was crucified through weakness, it was voluntary weakness; he submitted to death. If he had not been willing to suffer, they could not conquer him. It was a great sin for those who had left all to follow Jesus; now to leave him for they knew not what. What folly, for fear of death to flee from Him, whom they knew and acknowledged to be the Fountain of life!
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
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April 12th, 2015 at 11:46:42 AM permalink
Quote: Kerkebet

You are not mistaken. However, this was not the first time one of Bob's was tampered with, because I think that people shouldn't have to reread it in that turn-of-the-century form of mass printing. However, this time I thought that I should clearly note my intent because you never know who is going to start to make a federal case out of it. More to say about that later because I don't feel like it now. Just take my word for it.

Quote: Greasyjohn

Then you added a disclaimer that you "[moved to one line]" in order to acknowledge your tampering. Of course, you didn't misquote him. Why would you go through all this trouble? And I know you purposefully moved what he said to one line because I quoted him (and didn't post) and sure enough his quote is on two lines. It appears to me that you are mocking the rules regarding misquoting for which you recently received a 3-day suspension. There is no other rational explanation.


Lol, no other rational explanation. What garbage.


Highly elliptical arguments from someone who was only recently enlightened about such a form of argument. You again ran with my well-meant words, and completely out of context I might add. The forum seems to be heading back to the superciliously correct beginnings of other agendas when everyone piled on, or condoned that of, the few persons who pointed out essential facts, advice or courtesies.

Second, for what it's worth, I didn't put quotation marks about the stone stuff because I added a word. And, surely, the phrase about waste has become so everyday that people are more likely to complain of excessive punctuation were it to be thus placed. But, if we try hard enough, there would always be something to complain about to make some, in my opinion, inherently silly point. Or, to go on to, in my opinion, cry mommy even after the other person had noted that trouble was not his/her intent. One really should not enter a charged debate on racism (or anything else) until he/she has mastered the nuances. More on this later as well. I'm in no hurry. Let more posters bury themselves. Smart move. Right?

Frankly, I thought the internet crowd was over the stuff of putting "egg shells" ahead of the quickly and accurately getting to the point as arises. The reason that nothing said, etc, may become libel/slander, eg, in a courtroom, itself, or tacitly similar convening. And, one might want to let the distasteful pictures of skinned monkeys, etc, at every turn, for the internet then. You guys. Give the "spears, harpoons, or whatever," a rest.


Add on: Lol, call it "JR's master plan".



Notice: For those of you who don’t want to read about a disagreement between two forum members that is not gambling related, please feel free to not read this post. But the subject of this post covers some important issues, and is written, I hope you will agree, thoughtfully.

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Kerkebet,

In your first sentence you say, “I think that people shouldn't have to reread it in that turn-of-the-century form of mass printing.” So a quote that had two lines is a turn-of-the-century form of mass printing, but if you change it to one line it is up to date? You changed EvenBobs quote from two lines to one for this reason? Your answer is not credible. You did it to mock the rules on misquoting because you were suspended, in my opinion.

In your second paragraph where you say “What garbage.” when I suggested there was no rational explanation for you changing EvenBobs quote except to mock the rules. I stand by my conclusion. It is obvious.

In your third paragraph you say, “Highly elliptical arguments from someone who was only recently enlightened about such a form of argument." (Kerkebet is referring to a thread I started where I inquired "What is an elliptical argument?") This statement is completely without merit. An elliptical argument is an argument that is invalid because there is a missing premis. People come across and appreciate the logic of this all the time without knowing that the formal name for this is an elliptical argument; just like a person might think that someone is showing haughty disdain and is contemptuous without knowing what the word supercilious means. And by the way, I think you’re supercilious.

The truth is, is your arguments are filled with holes large enough to drive a truck through. It’s almost like you’re sabotaging yourself by doing and saying indefensible things that are easily exposed.

(In this next link, the reader can see exactly what I'm refering to in this post so far.)

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/21646-shark-officially-jumped/2/#post447715

I think you missed your calling. I could see you on some debate team, and if you made it to the finals your judges would all appreciate you because they're a group of disgruntled philosophers, pseudo-scholars and Leninists who were purged to Siberia. Word smiths all that could untangle your circuitous philosophical meandering would be your audience. You could hide your salient point behind smoke and mirrors, confusion, some riddle in history, leaving flotsam in your wake, and then when your opponent was misled into not understanding your conclusion you could be declared the winner of the debate because your disguised point eluded your enemy.

There was a poster that I recently disagreed with on one of these forums, I can't recall who. But I responded to him by writing that “We would probably disagree on many things. But if we were on a life boat together lost at sea and I didn’t catch you stealing the water then you’re okay with me.”

In your case the thought would enter my mind that you might club me over the head while I slept and roll me over the side of the dingy. You would sit there alone the next morning, the dingy riding a little higher in the water, a slight smirk on your face, and you’d say, “There was not enough water for us both to have survived anyway. Too bad he never understood his purpose in life; it was for ME to throw the minnow into the water to become food for the sharks.”

Of course, this last paragraph is all fictionalized prose, but it’s what I might be thinking. Life boats and a small ration of water brings out the worst in people.

(These last 4 paragraphs were just some thoughts I had while writing this post. I've had moments of levity and insight that I wanted to express through satire while dealing with the discord outlined here, but this does not detract from the seriousness of what I'm writing about. I'll now resume with the importance of this writing.)

For those of you not familiar with the origins of Kekebet’s and my discord, it started when I made the following post in the “Is It Time For It Not To Be Okay?” thread:

“Many blacks that say they are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.”

Kerkebet then rewrote my quote to read:

“The n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.”

The misquote is the same except for the first sentence. Kerkebet not only omitted the first eight words of my quote, he started his misquote by capitalizing the word "The" which was not capitalized in my quote because it was mid-sentence. This changed the content and meaning of my quote to something completely negative and different. He changed the first sentence of my quote, essentially, to me writing:

"The nigg**s freely refer to people as 'bitch'."

What he did is wrong and indefensible. And he’s unapologetic.

Kerkebet was suspended for 3 days for his transgression. I feel the rules for future misquoting don't go far enough. I wrote about this in the following link.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/570/#post446973
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April 13th, 2015 at 6:47:13 AM permalink
Two guys are having an intense disagreement and they're standing there after a rather brutal exchange and there's an uncomfortable pause. Then one guy says to the other, "You know, as human beings we are more alike than we are different." The other guy says, "You're a human being?"
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April 13th, 2015 at 7:13:35 AM permalink
I thought EvenBob was writing in the style of ee cummings. to mess with his line count alters the poem.

all ignorance toboggans into know
and trudges up to ignorance again
-ee cummings
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April 13th, 2015 at 7:17:34 AM permalink
I get how you feel OP. My post count on a month to month basis has been slowly sliding downward. And it's not because I'm busier. :(
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April 13th, 2015 at 9:01:35 AM permalink
It is easy to get information about any aspect of gambling on this site, and if other topics and issues dampen anyone's enthusiasm toward that aim, then all they have to do is not read threads that don't interest them.

If anyone's interested, I've expanded on this topic in this link:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/21646-shark-officially-jumped/#post447692
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