The Simpsons count cards
March 15th, 2015 at 8:56:25 PM
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My GF told me last weeks Simpsons episode is about card counting.
They even talk about heat, signals baxk countin, back rooming and counting legality I believe.
I'm not sure but there's a gambling for God/church.
Excuse me if someone posted about this allready. The episode should be fun. I'll watch it tonight.
They even talk about heat, signals baxk countin, back rooming and counting legality I believe.
I'm not sure but there's a gambling for God/church.
Excuse me if someone posted about this allready. The episode should be fun. I'll watch it tonight.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 15th, 2015 at 9:19:46 PM
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it's basically a 20 minute cartoon version of the movie 21.
March 15th, 2015 at 9:36:59 PM
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Quote: sc15it's basically a 20 minute cartoon version of the movie 21.
yes, so if you're one of the ones who complained about how the movie 21 was unrealistic, cheap, etc. I can't imagine that you would like this episode.
March 15th, 2015 at 9:52:10 PM
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Just saw it. They successfully make fun of every
aspect of counting cards. I like how they
carefully explain that it's perfectly legal and
then go on to hint it's a crime for the rest
of the show.
aspect of counting cards. I like how they
carefully explain that it's perfectly legal and
then go on to hint it's a crime for the rest
of the show.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 12:10:59 AM
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It's a friggen cartoon. If you are someone that's so anal because it's not like the real thing or you feel the need to pick at it, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm think it will be a fun episode I can't wait to see it.
BTW Focus with that white guy Will Smith ;) has some "prop betting" scam scenes in it. It's about con artists. I was a bit disappointed with Focus it could've been better (it wasn't dark and gritty enough for me, I didn't need a love story) but what the hell It had some interesting stuff.
I'm think it will be a fun episode I can't wait to see it.
BTW Focus with that white guy Will Smith ;) has some "prop betting" scam scenes in it. It's about con artists. I was a bit disappointed with Focus it could've been better (it wasn't dark and gritty enough for me, I didn't need a love story) but what the hell It had some interesting stuff.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 16th, 2015 at 12:31:28 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIt's a friggen cartoon. If you are someone that's so anal because it's not like the real thing
It's funny because they cover every possible
position on counting. I laughed out loud
several times. They don't portray the casino
in a positive light at all, implying they will
go to any length to stop AP's. Putting
Homer's head in a vice like the movie Casino
was a nice touch. All in all, a great piece
of satire. I might watch it again.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 12:38:06 AM
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Quote: EvenBobIt's funny because they cover every possible
position on counting. I laughed out loud
several times. They don't portray the casino
in a positive light at all, implying they will
go to any length to stop AP's. Putting
Homer's head in a vice like the movie Casino
was a nice touch. All in all, a great piece
of satire. I might watch it again.
But, I read on the board here all one has to do (IF he is an AP'er of course) IS get fake ID AND a new players card and he is good to go. And by the way---cartoon or not, they should not be exposing or even making fun of AP'ers. IMHO!!!!!
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
March 16th, 2015 at 8:44:08 AM
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Quote: EvenBobJust saw it. They successfully make fun of every aspect of counting cards. I like how they carefully explain that it's perfectly legal and then go on to hint it's a crime for the rest of the show.
Er, they don't mention "spread" at all - just the "team aspect". Also, it's amazing how they can get pictures of everybody, yet aren't smart enough to block all of the exits.
Actually, probably the biggest "complaint" was by fans who thought that they had forgotten that Marge has a serious gambling problem, but one of the show's producers replied, "Marge was told that the system wasn't 'gambling,' but 'math'."
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the ending - where Homer gets up and yells that counting is legal - was added by one of the show's writers who got backed off, either in Vegas or at a southern California tribal casino. (Even though every episode has one, or occasionally two, credited writer, pretty much the entire writing staff makes inputs into every episode, which is why every episode has something like 20 credited producers; in fact, the Emmys had to invent a rule limiting the number of people who actually get an Emmy if an episode wins the Animated Program Emmy to "14 producers, 3 writers, and 4 directors.")
And I just wonder how many people who saw that show decided to put it to the test the following weekend - and how it turned out.
March 16th, 2015 at 8:49:40 AM
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I kind of remembering the general comments at the time the show aired, something along the lines of, 'a cartoon show on prime time will never make it'. Probably more so, 'a great reflection on the general public and everyone relates to it in one form-fashion or another'.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
March 16th, 2015 at 9:16:43 AM
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Quote: Baccaratfrom79'a cartoon show on prime time will never make it'
Flintstones was a prime time cartoon as far back as 1960. It's success inspired other cartoons for prime time
Top Cat was on Wednesday night.
The Jetsons aired on Sunday nights.
Jonny Quest first aired on September 18, 1964 (a Friday)
Wait Till Your Father Gets Home (1972 to 1974) by Hanna-Barbera aired during the "prime time access" period (usually 7:30 P).
So there was some precedent although it had been a while.
March 16th, 2015 at 9:38:48 AM
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Quote: Baccaratfrom79I kind of remembering the general comments at the time the show aired, something along the lines of, 'a cartoon show on prime time will never make it'.
But if it does get a foothold, it has one major advantage over primetime shows.
What ruins pretty much every primetime show with children? What to do when the children grow up. Leave it to Beaver, My Three Sons, The Brady Bunch, Eight is Enough, Diff'rent Strokes, The Facts of Life - good when the kids were younger, but when the youngest ones got older, or the oldest ones become adults, one of the reasons for the show went away. Attempts to add patches (Dody on My Three Sons, Oliver on The Brady Bunch, Jeremy on Eight is Enough, Sam on Diff'rent Strokes) pretty much all failed miserably.
(Another side effect: finding creative ways to explain why the smart kid who graduated high school has to go to a local junior college and live at home. The only one with a remotely legitimate explanation in terms of the storyline that I can remember: ALF - they had to choose between spending the college funds on "sending the kids to college" or "feeding and hiding ALF.")
The Simpsons? Bart is every bit as much 10 years old in 2015 as he was in 1990. For that matter, Homer and Marge are still in their late 30s instead of their early 60s, even if they do have to retcon a few past episodes. (Examples: early in the show's run, Lisa was born in 1984, but later, Homer and Marge didn't have Bart until the mid-1990s. The one thing they haven't fixed yet; Principal Skinner is still a Vietnam vet, even though even if he had been just 16 when Saigon/Ho Chi Minh City fell in 1975, he'd be 56 now.)
March 16th, 2015 at 9:56:24 AM
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Can anyone provide a link to the episode in question that doesn't involve downloading a new media player or the ability to stream it to my old cathode ray TV? I'm okay with paying but I don't want to have to jump through a dozen complicated hoops to watch the thing.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 16th, 2015 at 10:44:10 AM
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Quote: WizardCan anyone provide a link to the episode in question that doesn't involve downloading a new media player or the ability to stream it to my old cathode ray TV? I'm okay with paying but I don't want to have to jump through a dozen complicated hoops to watch the thing.
hulu.com
March 16th, 2015 at 10:56:30 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyEr, they don't mention "spread" at all - just the "team aspect". Also, it's amazing how they can get pictures of everybody, yet aren't smart enough to block all of the exits.
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Er, um, it's a cartoon satire. You may
have noticed that on cartoon shows
they generally don't follow reality all
that closely. That they got so much correct
is amazing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 10:59:05 AM
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Free (with commercials) for now...
http://www.hulu.com/watch/761991#i0,p0,d0
Starts with several minutes about the police but then gets into card counting. Called "Sky Police".
http://www.hulu.com/watch/761991#i0,p0,d0
Starts with several minutes about the police but then gets into card counting. Called "Sky Police".
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
March 16th, 2015 at 11:02:26 AM
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Quote: WizardCan anyone provide a link to the episode in question that doesn't involve downloading a new media player or the ability to stream it to my old cathode ray TV? I'm okay with paying but I don't want to have to jump through a dozen complicated hoops to watch the thing.
I saw it on Comcast (Xfinity) On Demand.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 1:13:08 PM
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A forum member gave me this link via PM, with permission to post: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2j0p4f_the-simpsons-epiosde2616-9th-march-2015_shortfilms.
My opinion was the episode wasn't especially funny but they got the theory and ethical issues of card counting spot on. They make the usual incorrect impression that counting offers an enormous advantage and goons will take you (or in this case a loved one) into a back room and put your head in a vice if caught.
I hope PaiGowDan will watch it and take to heart Homer's opinion and reasons on whether or not counting cards is cheating.
My opinion was the episode wasn't especially funny but they got the theory and ethical issues of card counting spot on. They make the usual incorrect impression that counting offers an enormous advantage and goons will take you (or in this case a loved one) into a back room and put your head in a vice if caught.
I hope PaiGowDan will watch it and take to heart Homer's opinion and reasons on whether or not counting cards is cheating.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 16th, 2015 at 3:55:48 PM
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Watching on Hulu now (thanks for the link, Babs).
My favorite line was from Ned: "If gambling's okay, then I'm getting health insurance for the kids!" Also a small goof, he says "Leviticus drew lots"...Leviticus isn't a person though.
My favorite line was from Ned: "If gambling's okay, then I'm getting health insurance for the kids!" Also a small goof, he says "Leviticus drew lots"...Leviticus isn't a person though.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 16th, 2015 at 4:36:14 PM
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Haven't seen the episode yet but you have to love a cartoon that has actual math on the blackboard and not just a bunch of random symbols.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2975606/Did-Homer-Simpson-discover-HIGGS-BOSON-Maths-1998-episode-predicts-particle-s-mass-14-years-CERN.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2975606/Did-Homer-Simpson-discover-HIGGS-BOSON-Maths-1998-episode-predicts-particle-s-mass-14-years-CERN.html
March 16th, 2015 at 5:03:33 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyActually, probably the biggest "complaint" was by fans who thought that they had forgotten that Marge has a serious gambling problem, but one of the show's producers replied, "Marge was told that the system wasn't 'gambling,' but 'math'."
I wish they had at least paid some lip service to Marge's past gambling problems. Like Homer or the kids being worried that she would start playing the slot machines again.
Quote: waasnodayHaven't seen the episode yet but you have to love a cartoon that has actual math on the blackboard and not just a bunch of random symbols.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2975606/Did-Homer-Simpson-discover-HIGGS-BOSON-Maths-1998-episode-predicts-particle-s-mass-14-years-CERN.html
The Simpsons are well-known for having lots of math jokes. There's a whole book about it, which I read and found amusing:
The Simpsons and Their Mathematical Secrets
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 16th, 2015 at 5:08:52 PM
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I liked how you could see the count changing as the cards came out and when it hit a certain point they called in Ned, the BP (Big Player). In my opinion, they should have split off the two story lines of counting and Sky Cop into two separate episodes.
I wonder if the episode was inspired by that Christian card counting team.
I wonder if the episode was inspired by that Christian card counting team.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 16th, 2015 at 5:12:41 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsAlso a small goof, "Leviticus drew lots"...Leviticus isn't a person though.
That's not a goof, that's a pun.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
March 16th, 2015 at 7:27:41 PM
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Quote: WizardA forum member gave me this link via PM, with permission to post: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2j0p4f_the-simpsons-epiosde2616-9th-march-2015_shortfilms.
....I hope PaiGowDan will watch it and take to heart Homer's opinion and reasons on whether or not counting cards is cheating.
Mike, saw and loved the episode, but it's a cartoon for grownups. Witty, fun, with the remote in one hand and a bag of Doritos in the other. Chuckled? Yes I did. Do I now think that card counting is the thing to do in casinos? No, the show hadn't changed my view, which is that it's neither clean gambling nor the thing to do.
Loved the signals (opening the little drink umbrellas to scram), the running counts displayed, the disguises and the need for them, - all in all a good 5-minute primer on it all.
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March 16th, 2015 at 7:36:36 PM
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Quote: Paigowdanthe show hadn't changed my view, which is that it's neither clean gambling nor the thing to do..
Which is, of course, losing at the
HE and leaving with your head
held high, like a good lad. (also
called sucker and loser behind
their backs by casino staff)
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 8:03:17 PM
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Quote: EvenBobWhich is, of course, losing at the
HE and leaving with your head
held high, like a good lad. (also
called sucker and loser behind
their backs by casino staff)
You know, if that's what the staff does, after someone comes in to enjoy themselves while providing a reason for them to be employed, that's their problem, not mine as the player. If they resent the people who are the reason for their job, whether selling entertainment, clothes, food, or anything else, they need to get another job.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
March 16th, 2015 at 8:32:04 PM
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double
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 8:34:48 PM
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If you read the dealer boards, as I
have for years, many dealers have
nothing but disdain for the players.
They refer to them as suckers
all the time, among other things.
Even the ones who leave tips.
This is not unusual in any service
industry. I had no use for most of
my regular customers in the bar
business. I thought most of them
were boring, useless drunks. It's
human nature to resent the very
people who keep you in business.
Mike worked at Disneyland, I wonder
how he felt about the customers.
Carnivals is where casinos were born
and they took disdain for the customer
to new heights. That disdain followed
them into the casino.
Hookers hate their johns, waiters
hate the people they wait on, hair
dressers really dislike their customers.
It's such a nerve wracking business
the burnout rate is very high.
have for years, many dealers have
nothing but disdain for the players.
They refer to them as suckers
all the time, among other things.
Even the ones who leave tips.
This is not unusual in any service
industry. I had no use for most of
my regular customers in the bar
business. I thought most of them
were boring, useless drunks. It's
human nature to resent the very
people who keep you in business.
Mike worked at Disneyland, I wonder
how he felt about the customers.
Carnivals is where casinos were born
and they took disdain for the customer
to new heights. That disdain followed
them into the casino.
Hookers hate their johns, waiters
hate the people they wait on, hair
dressers really dislike their customers.
It's such a nerve wracking business
the burnout rate is very high.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 8:47:12 PM
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Quote: EvenBobMike worked at Disneyland, I wonder
how he felt about the customers.
I never forgot that if it were not for the customers then there would be no job. It doesn't mean I was in love with them but neither did a gripe about them.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 16th, 2015 at 8:57:33 PM
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Quote: WizardIt doesn't mean I was in love with them but neither did a gripe about them.
You weren't there long enough. All service
businesses get to you eventually. The
public generally sucks if you work with
them every day.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 16th, 2015 at 9:38:55 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsAlso a small goof, he says "Leviticus drew lots"...Leviticus isn't a person though.
Nice catch! The person was Levi.
March 17th, 2015 at 9:34:59 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsThe Simpsons are well-known for having lots of math jokes. There's a whole book about it, which I read and found amusing:
The Simpsons and Their Mathematical Secrets
That's looks interesting, thanks for the info AcesAndEights, I will have to check it out.
March 17th, 2015 at 10:28:54 AM
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Quote: EvenBobYou weren't there long enough. All service
businesses get to you eventually. The
public generally sucks if you work with
them every day.
Maybe not everybody is as jaded as you.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 17th, 2015 at 10:46:11 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsThe Simpsons are well-known for having lots of math jokes. There's a whole book about it, which I read and found amusing:
The Simpsons and Their Mathematical Secrets
There is also going to be an episode (reportedly airing on May 17) where Lisa joins the school Mathletes team, and one of the producers says it will include "some of the most complicated math jokes ever".
March 18th, 2015 at 4:45:08 AM
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I love that word ( even the sound of it) even though I probably use it incorrectly.Quote: WizardMaybe not everybody is as jaded as you.
I think when describing what Bob's problem might be, you totally missed the mark using that word.
I could give you some examples but I enjoy not being suspended.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 19th, 2015 at 5:59:08 AM
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Quote: maddison2...
Really?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 19th, 2015 at 6:05:21 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI love that word ( even the sound of it) even though I probably use it incorrectly.
There are actually two words. One noun "jade" which is from the 1300's means "an old tired horse". The second noun "jade" is from around 1600 and refers to the jewel (from Old French).
What is interesting is no one uses the noun for the old horse. But English has retained the adjective to mean roughly "an old horse who has seen everything and now is just tired". But since the noun almost exclusively refers to the gemstone, the adjective makes little sense if you were teaching English as a second language.
March 19th, 2015 at 7:25:38 AM
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March 19th, 2015 at 8:12:33 AM
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"What a rush! That got my blood pumping in a way that I thought only quiet reflection could!" - Ned Flanders
Haha, I love it. I enjoyed the episode.
Haha, I love it. I enjoyed the episode.
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March 19th, 2015 at 8:40:07 AM
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I'm surprised Fox doesn't announce "Sky Police" as a show on next year's schedule, considering that it can't possibly do any worse that the last two animated shows Fox announced that it would air - Murder Police (2013) and Bordertown (2014).
No, you didn't miss either one of those - in October 2013, Fox changed its mind about airing Murder Police without explanation, and it not only has not aired any Bordertown episodes, but left it off of its announced Summer schedule as well.
No, you didn't miss either one of those - in October 2013, Fox changed its mind about airing Murder Police without explanation, and it not only has not aired any Bordertown episodes, but left it off of its announced Summer schedule as well.
March 19th, 2015 at 9:09:49 AM
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Quote: paycoinpoker123This post busted as spam. -- The Management
Which post? The Wizard for calling Evenbob "jaded", AxelWolf for saying "I love that word", or me for the saying "the word comes from an ancient word for an old horse".
Or are you referring to something else entirely.
March 19th, 2015 at 9:22:45 AM
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Quote: pacomartinWhich post? The Wizard for calling Evenbob "jaded", AxelWolf for saying "I love that word", or me for the saying "the word comes from an ancient word for an old horse".
Or are you referring to something else entirely.
It was a non-sequitur post about a poker tournament with a link to an Internet casino.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 19th, 2015 at 9:57:18 AM
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So do you think The Wizard was calling Bob an old horse ? That's fine, but don't we usually just shoot old horses?Quote: pacomartinThere are actually two words. One noun "jade" which is from the 1300's means "an old tired horse". The second noun "jade" is from around 1600 and refers to the jewel (from Old French).
What is interesting is no one uses the noun for the old horse. But English has retained the adjective to mean roughly "an old horse who has seen everything and now is just tired". But since the noun almost exclusively refers to the gemstone, the adjective makes little sense if you were teaching English as a second language.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 19th, 2015 at 10:14:18 AM
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^Depends on whether they were really good at having a real horse job before they aged. In many other countries they eat them. Often in a stew, sometimes as a form of salami in a sandwich. Bon apetit.
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March 19th, 2015 at 11:39:18 AM
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Don't they make dog or cat food out of them. If so, Bob might be happy if he was an old horse and he got turned into dog food for his dog he loves. Bob apetit.Quote: DrawingDead^Depends on whether they were really good at having a real horse job before they aged. In many other countries they eat them. Often in a stew, sometimes as a form of salami in a sandwich. Bon apetit.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 19th, 2015 at 1:55:47 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDon't they make dog or cat food out of them. If so, Bob might be happy if he was an old horse and he got turned into dog food for his dog he loves. Bob apetit.
Also glue.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
March 19th, 2015 at 2:13:49 PM
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Well, there's also soap, from rendering animals. But somehow I get the impression Axel may not have quite the same refreshing feeling of satisfaction from thinking about lathering all over himself with a fragrant sudsy version of the product of that. Or say lingering over a long relaxing time in a bubble bath. But I could be wrong.
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