AxelWolf
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December 1st, 2014 at 10:14:30 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

But that's $10 less he would have for beer and hookers

I believe GWAE was suggesting that VB should sell his comped buffets to other members like
Lem66 did.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 1st, 2014 at 10:33:48 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I believe GWAE was suggesting that VB should sell his comped buffets to other members like
Lem66 did.





Ahhhh my bad
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December 1st, 2014 at 10:36:57 AM permalink
yeah so that means he can splurge and afford the 'deluxe hooker'? what does that entail?....More teeth? 40's instead of 60s? lol.
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December 1st, 2014 at 10:43:19 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

yeah so that means he can splurge and afford the 'deluxe hooker'? what does that entail?....More teeth? 40's instead of 60s? lol.



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December 1st, 2014 at 1:20:11 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

There have been members that sold buffet passes for $10, maybe you could try that.



Or he could just stay home in IL with
his parents till he's 21. I can't believe
you're giving a troll this much attention.
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:28:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Or he could just stay home in IL with
his parents till he's 21. I can't believe
you're giving a troll this much attention.




I thought he was 22
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:54:18 PM permalink
well if he does the bob dancer school of thought then he can just go to hotels and eat their free breakfast.

I always said that if I were homeless I would just walk into buffets, grab a few items and walk right back out. I would never starve.
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December 1st, 2014 at 1:56:21 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

well if he does the bob dancer school of thought then he can just go to hotels and eat their free breakfast.

I always said that if I were homeless I would just walk into buffets, grab a few items and walk right back out. I would never starve.


Dont give him ideas. LOLLLLL.
If this guy is for real, he is the scum of the scum.......
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December 1st, 2014 at 2:03:47 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

well if he does the bob dancer school of thought then he can just go to hotels and eat their free breakfast.

I always said that if I were homeless I would just walk into buffets, grab a few items and walk right back out. I would never starve.



Circus Circus is the easy spot. I never did it but had friends who did. You go in the exit door from the buffet, grab a receipt off another table, then sit down and pig out.
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December 1st, 2014 at 2:05:58 PM permalink
this thread seems to be devolving into a "how to" steal from a casino and/or buffet
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December 1st, 2014 at 2:07:40 PM permalink
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Long story short, I lost my job a while ago, and I'm getting evicted from my apartment for not paying rent. I made a deal with the landlord. He's going to give me a 1 way ticket to vegas and $100 if I get out by the end of the week, since that's much cheaper for him than the legal fees to go to court and get me evicted.

So, I'm wonder what I should do once I get to vegas. Any coupon books that I can get some match plays or free slot play or stuff? Where can I get cheap or free food? Where's the best places to panhandle? Best places to cruise around for credits left in slot machines? Do any casinos have areas with couches or whatever I can sleep on? Should I sleep at a slot machine? What about stuff like showering? I'm thinking of getting a cheap gym membership or something to use the facilities at.

I have no delusions of grandeur or anything. I'll be happy if I can make $10 - $20 / day and get a few meals and maybe a place to stay once in a while.

When I land in vegas, I'll have $80 or so to work with. I plan on spending about $20 on beer before I arrive.



Build yourself a condo with pallets and carpet remnants behind the Carpet Barn on Charleston and Industrial. Then you can walk the strip everyday hustling credits. Don't bring any luggage with you. You don't want to be packing stuff around. There are plenty of clothes in Las Vegas. Hit any thrift store and buy a set of threads for 4 or five dollars. Hit the municipal swimming pool on Bonanza for a shower and shave. Then you are back in action looking like a tourist
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December 1st, 2014 at 2:36:34 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I thought he was 22



I'm guessing that's false, like everything
else he posts. Nobody is that forthcoming
about who they are on a strange forum.
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December 1st, 2014 at 2:57:46 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I'm guessing that's false, like everything
else he posts. Nobody is that forthcoming
about who they are on a strange forum.

I feel sorry but I have to agree with you this time 100%.
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December 1st, 2014 at 3:23:58 PM permalink
Heck, if you have the time and are bold you can live for free in the "tunnels" under the strip which are used to evacuate rain water when it storms.



Heck, it's a desert; how often will it rain?

Oh, that often, eh?
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December 1st, 2014 at 3:49:44 PM permalink
Quote: MrV




Notice the floor is wet, is probably always
wet. Mold must be a constant problem.
But no rent and you only have to rebuild
2-3 times a year.
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December 1st, 2014 at 3:50:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: MrV




Notice the floor is wet, is probably always
wet. Mold must be a constant problem.
But no rent and you only have to rebuild
2-3 times a year.




I would not feel safe here without my Mastiff and a shotgun
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December 1st, 2014 at 3:52:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I'm guessing that's false, like everything
else he posts. Nobody is that forthcoming
about who they are on a strange forum.





Oh Bob - like you, I am not taking this thread seriously and merely wanted to see how far he would take it


(wait...does that make me a troll trolling a troll?)



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December 1st, 2014 at 3:57:04 PM permalink
Home sweet home. None made the cover
of House and Garden.









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December 5th, 2014 at 7:45:20 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

this thread seems to be devolving into a "how to" steal from a casino and/or buffet



The only part of I disagree with is that it devolved. Low and classless start to finish. :)
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December 5th, 2014 at 11:58:45 PM permalink
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The only part of I disagree with is that it devolved. Low and classless start to finish. :)



Can't get any lower on the food chain
than living in storm drains.
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December 6th, 2014 at 12:43:50 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Can't get any lower on the food chain
than living in storm drains.



oh yeah, you could have over 16000 posts on a message board.
get second you pig
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December 6th, 2014 at 4:21:30 AM permalink
It looks better than some basements I have visited.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 7th, 2014 at 12:29:47 AM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

oh yeah, you could have over 16000 posts on a message board.



I'm afraid I made those posts from a
place a little nicer than you'll ever
live, sonny. Nice try.. Maybe you'll
hit 500 some day, when you have
something constructive to say.

Maybe not..
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December 10th, 2014 at 12:53:16 AM permalink
I figured you to live in an abandoned vw bus...I could be wrong I suppose.
get second you pig
EvenBob
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December 10th, 2014 at 5:55:21 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

I figured you to live in an abandoned vw bus...I could be wrong I suppose.



I owned two VW buses, never lived in them.
They never failed me, I sold them for what
I paid.
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December 10th, 2014 at 6:20:17 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

The only part of I disagree with is that it devolved. Low and classless start to finish. :)


Personal insult to those who have posted on this thread? :)
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December 10th, 2014 at 7:31:17 PM permalink
Vegasbum. dont worry about drinks and smokes. You'll find plenty of half full drinks and cigarette butts between the machines while you are credit hustling. This is Vegas, baby!
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December 10th, 2014 at 9:49:14 PM permalink
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Vegasbum. dont worry about drinks and smokes. You'll find plenty of half full drinks and cigarette butts between the machines while you are credit hustling. This is Vegas, baby!

EEEWWWW!!!!!!!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 10th, 2014 at 10:18:42 PM permalink
Wow. This thread is great, didn't check in until now. Complete with some legit homeless tips from Mickeycrimm. Sounds like a lot of homeless people in lv should be able to pull themselves out of it if they actually try, at least food shouldn't be a problem. Makes me that much less likely to "help" out.
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December 10th, 2014 at 10:58:36 PM permalink
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Wow. This thread is great, didn't check in until now. Complete with some legit homeless tips from Mickeycrimm. Sounds like a lot of homeless people in lv should be able to pull themselves out of it if they actually try, at least food shouldn't be a problem. Makes me that much less likely to "help" out.

gone are the days of falling into some easy money from casinos. there was a proliferation of extremely good advantage machines from the nineties to early two thousands.

it took the perfect storm in order to create AP guys like Micky crimm.... right place, right time, right people .

i don't believe in fate and crap like that, but there was some really strange spooky stuff that kept popping up pulling me towards this business.


for starters, in 1990 i found a original copy of a manuscript for blackjack card counting in the trash behind my Apartments on 1st street
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 10th, 2014 at 11:26:23 PM permalink
I know that. I've ground up from a miniscule bankroll to a legit but not large bankroll, and while I've learned a few moves along the way it's been difficult and I'm amazed at some of the "good ole days" stories. But there's always new opportunities, most of which ill probably never know. Being opportunistic is a must. I didn't mean to say that a homeless guy should be able to make a living ap, but if they really try I don't buy that the opportunity isn't there to pull themselves out of the situation.
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December 10th, 2014 at 11:27:14 PM permalink
Like a job.
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December 11th, 2014 at 2:43:05 AM permalink
btw in the movie "Hard 8", the younger guy who was getting pulled out of homelessness by learning to become an AP, is taught first thing about how to get comped for a room when you have almost no money ... and the implication is that he can do this without actually losing his roll to do it.

The movie has the guy impress some pit boss that he is the kind of gambler who is going to earn that comp in no time flat. Yet I couldn't follow it, which left some questions:

*if you saw the movie, did you follow what he actually did better? what was it?

*even if the movie made it look too easy, was this possible back in the day? probably before player's cards and the house must have relied totally on how the pit boss rated your action

*I assume you would risk getting thrown out on your butt today, and beaten up back then?
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December 11th, 2014 at 1:18:11 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

btw in the movie "Hard 8", the younger guy who was getting pulled out of homelessness by learning to become an AP, is taught first thing about how to get comped for a room when you have almost no money ... and the implication is that he can do this without actually losing his roll to do it.

The movie has the guy impress some pit boss that he is the kind of gambler who is going to earn that comp in no time flat. Yet I couldn't follow it, which left some questions:

*if you saw the movie, did you follow what he actually did better? what was it?

*even if the movie made it look too easy, was this possible back in the day? probably before player's cards and the house must have relied totally on how the pit boss rated your action

*I assume you would risk getting thrown out on your butt today, and beaten up back then?

It wasn't a table games ploy, it was a slot club play.

He would buy a rack of $1 tokens, played it through on a low variance machine once SLOWLY, then take what was left (usually broke even) to the cage, cash in the tokens, then buy another rack of tokens from another window. So it looked like his slot rating card he kept re-buying tokens, So he got a good rating and the slot floor supervisor thought he was a big gambler, so he got comped everything.

Love that part of the movie as well as the craps scene.

Video
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December 11th, 2014 at 1:33:04 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

It wasn't a table games ploy, it was a slot club play.

He would buy a rack of $1 tokens, played it through on a low variance machine once SLOWLY, then take what was left (usually broke even) to the cage, cash in the tokens, then buy another rack of tokens from another window. So it looked like his slot rating card he kept re-buying tokens, So he got a good rating and the slot floor supervisor thought he was a big gambler, so he got comped everything.

Love that part of the movie as well as the craps scene.

Video



thanks!

must have been that, in the day, buy-in implied coin-in pretty well
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December 11th, 2014 at 4:02:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

gone are the days of falling into some easy money from casinos. there was a proliferation of extremely good advantage machines from the nineties to early two thousands.

it took the perfect storm in order to create AP guys like Micky crimm.... right place, right time, right people .

i don't believe in fate and crap like that, but there was some really strange spooky stuff that kept popping up pulling me towards this business.


for starters, in 1990 i found a original copy of a manuscript for blackjack card counting in the trash behind my Apartments on 1st street



It actually was a perfect storm. I thumbed into the right town at the right time. October 1996. The pig machines
Flush Attack. Then here came the Oddyssey machines in very early 1997. And after that the Visions in thr spring of 97. It was a golden opportunity. At that point I had developed an iron will to succeed in gambling. That iron will is still with me. I'm the luckiest man on earth. Not lucky in the game. Lucky because after so many years on the road and the rails I finally thumbed into the right town and was presented with such an opportunity. An opportunity I didnt deserve but took nonetheless.
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December 11th, 2014 at 5:32:39 PM permalink
It was shot in Reno but would have been fine in Vegas.

The hints of Dont Drink, Look Sharp, are all good. Of course "back in the day" a room in Vegas was ten bucks, so getting a room comp wasn't all that big a deal. It was until the seventies that room prices started climbing as MBA types started turning everything into "profit centers".

Remember the kids from Stanford and Eudamon Pie ... working on a roulette computer in graduate school. They admitted they were warned off the project by a different university who already had a device fully developed that was funding retirement for several professors. There is always a way.... and always someone ahead of you on the trail even if you think you are blazing a new one into uncharted territory.
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December 11th, 2014 at 6:51:35 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

It was shot in Reno but would have been fine in Vegas.

The hints of Dont Drink, Look Sharp, are all good. Of course "back in the day" a room in Vegas was ten bucks, so getting a room comp wasn't all that big a deal. It was until the seventies that room prices started climbing as MBA types started turning everything into "profit centers".

Remember the kids from Stanford and Eudamon Pie ... working on a roulette computer in graduate school. They admitted they were warned off the project by a different university who already had a device fully developed that was funding retirement for several professors. There is always a way.... and always someone ahead of you on the trail even if you think you are blazing a new one into uncharted territory.



Jack Dempsey was a rail rider. The movie Hard Times is based on his life before his ring career. Burl Ives was a hobo who got discovered. Who could ever forget Woody Guthrie who was an absolute drifter. I admire those kind of people who turned nothing into something.
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December 11th, 2014 at 8:49:13 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

It wasn't a table games ploy, it was a slot club play.

He would buy a rack of $1 tokens, played it through on a low variance machine once SLOWLY, then take what was left (usually broke even) to the cage, cash in the tokens, then buy another rack of tokens from another window. So it looked like his slot rating card he kept re-buying tokens, So he got a good rating and the slot floor supervisor thought he was a big gambler, so he got comped everything.

Love that part of the movie as well as the craps scene.

Video



I think back then you didn't have to play at all. You just bought a bunch of tokens and cashed em out later.

Of course, you do it with stuff like $1, $2, or $5 tokens.

If you get greedy and try to pretend like you're playing $100 tokens they'll most likely figure out what's going on.
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December 12th, 2014 at 1:50:20 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

It wasn't a table games ploy, it was a slot club play.

He would buy a rack of $1 tokens, played it through on a low variance machine once SLOWLY, then take what was left (usually broke even) to the cage, cash in the tokens, then buy another rack of tokens from another window. So it looked like his slot rating card he kept re-buying tokens, So he got a good rating and the slot floor supervisor thought he was a big gambler, so he got comped everything.

Love that part of the movie as well as the craps scene.

Video

Ive posted this video many times here its one of my favorites. I even posted it on my good old myspace. I love it because I did it while playing small AP stuff with only a few hundred on me.

I still have a Palace station log book somewhere they used to track your play and give you comps . I really didn't find it that valuable then, taco bell was sufficient to me. My tip at the restaurant was more than fast food cost me. I think this was more fun to do, than It was to actually eat the food.

Any change person could mark your log book. So You really didn't need to blow smoke up the managements ass, or look like a high roller. Any old manager could look and mark your log book off, and write you a comp. It didn't take as long as that video made it look. It took less than 30 minutes to accumulate about $500 in log entries without being to obvious.

Dollar Tokens were actually a pain in the ass, because you had to rack them and the racks were awkward to handle.

$200 In quarters could be cracked into a bucket in just 2 minutes, then carried in a bucket and cashed easily(occasionally you got 41 quarters or found a silver one) You could also easily stuff quarter rolls in your pockets and walk around to the next change girl, so they didn't see you going from the chang girl, to the cashier, to change person and back again. Even better, you could Just take the rolls home and then cash them (uncracked) at a different location. You wanted 6 or 7 different log entries for $100 to 200 each, any bigger Buy in amounts at one time looked suspect.

I would accumulate about 900 in transaction before I asked for a comp. I had 6 to 8 different casino log books going at once.

The manager would usually mark off between $400 to $700, that was was usually enough to get a nice dinner for 2. Any remaining amount got saved and added to the next comp.

The best place to do this was the Rio,good food and they just scanned your card when you bought in.
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Ps If it was available nowadays, I think I would do it occasionally. I just find it fun, but I'm not sure why. Nothing taste better than pie, except free pie.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 12th, 2014 at 2:32:51 AM permalink
It's funny to me they were making so much money they could still absorb these things. Even more amazing they're probably still capable but want a first born son. Makes me wonder where all the money goes and there doesn't seem anyone willing to take up the competition wowing people with comps.
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