FinsRule
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April 14th, 2014 at 9:32:37 PM permalink
So you can't go back, spin a few times then cash? Or give them to someone else? You said you still have them, right?
AxiomOfChoice
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April 14th, 2014 at 9:35:56 PM permalink
Here is the thing.

Getting a lawyer is probably not worth it. Decent lawyers charge hundreds of dollars per hour. It's not worth paying a lawyer to maybe recover $1600.

No matter what, they are going to find out your identity from this if you don't let it drop. So I see no reason to fight it in court. If you just show up at the casino with your id you will get your money. Your disguise will be blown but it sounds like they will pay you. If you sue your disguise will be blown as well.
darkoz
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April 14th, 2014 at 9:36:58 PM permalink
No the barcode isn't accepted at the slots. And if I give them to someone else, they told me the tapes would be examined to make sure it was me since I had no identification.
darkoz
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April 14th, 2014 at 9:41:49 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Here is the thing.

Getting a lawyer is probably not worth it. Decent lawyers charge hundreds of dollars per hour. It's not worth paying a lawyer to maybe recover $1600.

No matter what, they are going to find out your identity from this if you don't let it drop. So I see no reason to fight it in court. If you just show up at the casino with your id you will get your money. Your disguise will be blown but it sounds like they will pay you. If you sue your disguise will be blown as well.



I don't want to just show up at the casino. They might pay me but not before locking me up for trespassing (which is only a misdemeanor here and with first offense should get me just a night in jail.)

I prefer to avoid that.

I think I will wait 45 days.

The vouchers are not cashable at the casino after 45 days. They can only be cashed at the NYS lottery office which is located in a different part of the city(they have one in each borough.)

If they cash it for me I'm in fat city. I don't even mind showing my ID to them. If they can't because of some flagged issue then I will take it to the small claims.

I am not worried about blowing my disguise. I am very good at them and can get a new one. I want my 1600 bucks.
FinsRule
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April 14th, 2014 at 9:43:00 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I don't want to just show up at the casino. They might pay me but not before locking me up for trespassing (which is only a misdemeanor here and with first offense should get me just a night in jail.)

I prefer to avoid that.

I think I will wait 45 days.

The vouchers are not cashable at the casino after 45 days. They can only be cashed at the NYS lottery office which is located in a different part of the city(they have one in each borough.)

If they cash it for me I'm in fat city. I don't even mind showing my ID to them. If they can't because of some flagged issue then I will take it to the small claims.

I am not worried about blowing my disguise. I am very good at them and can get a new one. I want my 1600 bucks.



Seems like lottery office makes most sense.
LarryS
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April 14th, 2014 at 10:14:26 PM permalink
the worst thing you can do right now financially is to get into paying a lawyer compounding the loss.

An initial consult will cost you at least 300. And then if the lawyer is young and hungry....you could expect to pay 300 dollars an hour.(bigger firms can charge 500-800 per hour especially in the NY metro area).

The lawyer would identify you as the client/plaintiff.......giving your name would give the casino another reason to win the case since you are banned.

If you persue it with a lawyer you may end up winning in the end......but you may end up paying 5k in the process.

the casino could claim that you won on other machines since they have film of you playing them....and they must have some documentation of your ban.

when they banned you...did they take a copy of your ID and make you sign something? If you signed something......do you know if confiscation of money is an option in the document?

either way.....small claims is your only best bet. Like it was said before you cannot claim physical injury which any lawyer woul;d jump at.
darkoz
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April 14th, 2014 at 10:28:27 PM permalink
It was in writing and with my ID and name on the ban but there is no mention of any confiscation of money as an option.
Tomspur
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April 14th, 2014 at 10:29:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

No the barcode isn't accepted at the slots. And if I give them to someone else, they told me the tapes would be examined to make sure it was me since I had no identification.



Here is the thing, unless the cashier phoned Surevillance while you stood at the cage and asked them for a review of any footage then the chances are very small that they kept the footage. All you have to do is wait 2 weeks (limit for keeping cage footage) and the casino will no longer have footage of the incident to review.
You have to be sure though that the cage did not phone Surveillance and ask them to take a picture of you.

The thing that bothers me here is that you had previously been banned from the casino. We need to know what that means. Where you trespassed or banned? Both are the same thing but legally they have some different consequences.

If you had been banned and the money you collected had been done while banned, I believe the casino may be within their rights to withold that money from you. They can prove you were banned and if they can prove the person holding the ticket was you (banned) then I THINK they will be keeping the money.

Your option to try the lottery office does seem like a fair shake and I would start there. Unless you know they have no ffotage of you, keep away from the casino.
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sodawater
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April 14th, 2014 at 10:48:52 PM permalink
It sounds to me like this whole episode has nothing to do with your being "banned" for legal AP and everything to do with some sort of automatic requirement to ask for ID when a large slot voucher is generated without play.

I wouldn't worry about your "disguise" -- if it were me, I would just go back the next day with my real ID and ask them to cash out the voucher. I am not a lawyer but my understanding is that when a casino wishes to throw you off its property, it has to give you a chance to leave before it can say you were trespassing. But I have no idea what the law might be in your particular area.

But if it were me, I'd just go with my real ID and ask to be paid, and explain that you were not money laundering. It's probably just a requirement that they ask for ID.
darkoz
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April 14th, 2014 at 10:55:59 PM permalink
They did not phone surveillance while I was there.

Yes, the money was confiscated because of an automated response from the system and had nothing to do with my ban or AP activity.

In fact, they handed me back the bearer vouchers. They actually did not confiscate them, but told me to return with ID so I can get my money.

My dilemma is I can't return with ID in my disguise and they stated no one but myself can claim the ticket.

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