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January 21st, 2014 at 1:17:45 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I suppose the first thing I should point out is that poker is not a game I would play while anything close to inebriated. I also don't know where you are geographically, but depending on the stakes (if you were close or ever wanted to meet me in Vegas when I go) and you wanted to play me in a little Texas Hold 'Em, heads-up, with one of the conditions being I drink two beers of my choosing beforehand, I accept the challenge if you feel that gives you an advantage over me.

I can't speak to strategy or money management with what I am saying for three reasons:


I believe there are three kinds of people when they drink:

1.) People who drink, but remain in control of themselves. These people can drink but have the alcohol have relatively little influence on their overall decision-making. These people can probably drink and gamble, except they may not want to attempt to count cards at BJ if that is what they normally do, though I imagine there are probably still some who could.

2.) People who drink and use the fact that they are drunk as a reprieve from responsibility, or to alleviate their perceived responsibility for what they do. In other words, the decision-making ability of these people is relatively unimpaired, "I know this is a bad idea," but they use the drinking as an excuse to do what they would want to do anyway, but would otherwise not want to be responsible for. These people should probably not drink and gamble. It's already difficult for them to repress betting tendencies that I would describe as, "Crazy."

3.) People who are legitimately out of control, or drink to such point, and exercise horrible decision-making when drinking. These people are not using the fact that they are drinking as a reprieve from the consequences of poor decisions, they legitimately believe that they are still making good decisions. These people tend to be somewhat stupid, to begin with, (not always, many smart people have the tendency, too) should definitely not gamble when intoxicated and would probably be well-advised to neither drink nor gamble, at all.

In any event, I place myself in the first category and have little to no reason to believe otherwise. Again, I play VP/VK/Slots so slowly when I drink that my expected loss is actually less than it would cost me just to buy the alcohol AND I have a lot more fun, same with Craps. I only drink when playing Craps if I would be at least playing Craps anyway, though, I wouldn't bet $5.00 PL Minimums just for the comped drinks! A $0.25 Max Bet on a $0.05/denom VP machine, though, absolutely!





I only have 2 categories of drinkers

1- those that drink and declare themselves as immune to the effects of the drug. whether they are gambling, or drinking at work, or drinking at home.

2- those that drink,. knowing that it will influence their ability to gamble, do their job,. or be a good parent.,,,but they dont care and are willing to take the consequences. They are the gamblers that say....I dont care if I lose...I am just here to have a good time. Fair enough...honest people


In the end casinos dont have to provide free alcoholic drinks. But they know the more people drink....the better advantage they have to take their money.
If you are hungry, want to get a cigar or a pack of ciggarettes, you are on your own.....you can spend your own money for those things(or use earned comps at the gift shop and snack bar)...but if you want a drug that will have a depressant effect on your central nervous system(includes the brain)....just sit right there and they will bring it right to you for free.

If someone is addicted to nicotine, and is feeling withrawls ....the casino doesnt feel the need to feed that need for free...because feeding that need would help the player focus better. So they dont freely provide nicotine. Nicotine is not a depressant,. But alcohol is the casinos drug of choice to provide to their patrons.( i understand whales may get more than alcohol....but I am talking about the average 99 percent of people)

Whether its the people drinking and proclaim they can handle it with no negative consequences, or the people who say screw it..i am gonna drink alot and gamble and whatever happens..its ok.....the casino doesnt care....as long as you drink ...they are happy.

There are people who drink during their workday and make a proclamation that it makes no difference. There are people that stop off for 2 or 3 drinks after work before they go hone, and claim it makes no difference on how they parent, and there are people who drink while they gamble and simply proclaim they are not negatively affected. Its an easy game to play because they never see the reprocussions. They never know that their roulette corner bet was swept awy, they never know that a die ht their hard 10 chip and moved it to another position, they never know that they selected "hold" on the wrong cards on VP. It goes over their heads...and therefore after a day of gambling under the influence of a depressant drug....they can proclaim that they played just as well as they would have without the drug in their system.

Alcohols effect on the body has been studied more than any drug on the market. The effects on the central nervous system. brain are well documented. Decision making , memory, motor skills all are effected from the intake of the first drink. There will always be people who will make a declaration otherwise...but scientific facts prevail. Are some people more reactive to some drugs more than others....sure. But I cannot speak to individuals. All I can do is say that in general for the general population......the greatest benefciary of serving the free alcohol...is the casino
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January 21st, 2014 at 1:24:59 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

In the end casinos dont have to provide free alcoholic drinks. But they know the more people drink....the better advantage they have to take their money.
If you are hungry, want to get a cigar or a pack of ciggarettes, you are on your own.....you can spend your own money for those things(or use earned comps at the gift shop and snack bar)



I get all this stuff for free without using my comp dollars.

Have you ever tried asking a pit boss for a pack of cigarettes or a cigar? I've never been turned down. I suspect that betting black chips is enough to get this from any Vegas strip casino.
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January 21st, 2014 at 1:27:45 PM permalink
My problem has always been in getting the free black chips.
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January 21st, 2014 at 1:29:32 PM permalink
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My problem has always been in getting the free black chips.



I would certainly not suggest playing higher just to get comps.

But... if you are going to play at that level anyway, you may as well take what they are giving away.
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January 21st, 2014 at 1:38:29 PM permalink
I know more than one person who took a free drink in a private game and, well, does the name Michael Finn ring a bell ?
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January 21st, 2014 at 2:06:44 PM permalink
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January 21st, 2014 at 2:17:07 PM permalink
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I always keep the Colorado Kool Aids flowing when I'm playing craps and especially when I'm at the roulette table. I usually start with PL and 2x odds with either place on 6/8 or a come bet with odds. I'll increase odds as I'm winning regardless if I'm drunk or sober. I will admit to throwing a $1 chip every once in a while on a hardway bet when I'm drinking. I don't think I could drink while playing BJ though.


I had no idea that Colorado Kool Aid was slang for Coors Light. Fun.
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January 21st, 2014 at 2:51:15 PM permalink
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I had no idea that Colorado Kool Aid was slang for Coors Light. Fun.



I've heard it called antelope piss also..
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January 21st, 2014 at 5:28:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I get all this stuff for free without using my comp dollars.

Have you ever tried asking a pit boss for a pack of cigarettes or a cigar? I've never been turned down. I suspect that betting black chips is enough to get this from any Vegas strip casino.




you conventiently left off the part where I said i was talking about 99 percent of the gamblers.

I would guess that gamblers that bet with stacks of 100 dollar chips are 1 out of every 100 gambelrs...or less..


But if you wanted to take this time to tell us that you bet with 100 dollar chips as if its a badge of honor.....mission accomplished
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January 21st, 2014 at 5:42:05 PM permalink
I'm in a casino to make my nut, period! So, the only thing I drink is diet pepsi with a wedge of lime, hey hey.
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January 21st, 2014 at 5:43:53 PM permalink
My buddies and I had a pretty good roll at the Mirage once at made well over $1k each. Consider the fact we each bought in for $100 and you can see what a monster it was. we asked multiple times to get a comp for a buffet and were rudely rejected each time, if not totally ignored. When our roll was up be colored up and left. Didn't even give them a chance to sniff our money. If we'd have got the comp we probably would have gambled there the rest of our trip. As it was, the suit was a dick and we left and spent our money somewhere else. People talk about how easy it is to receive a buffet but not in my experience. I literally left over $300 on the table after the 7 came and I didn't get jack from the Mirage.
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January 21st, 2014 at 6:29:26 PM permalink
Favorite drink while gambling? I don't, mainly because (a) I never developed a taste for alcohol (even wine tends to burn in my throat for some reason), and (b) anything non-alcoholic isn't worth the $1/glass tip.
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January 21st, 2014 at 8:56:02 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If you saw grocery stores giving free hits of killer
weed on a bong to everybody who came in, so they
would get massive munchies and spend their asses
off, you would cry foul. But when a casino offers a
free drug to do the same thing, you say 'Hey, thanks'.



In Nevada, a bet at a casino is considered a legal contract. Nevada law allows casinos to serve complimentary alcohol to players which means players may agree to the terms of a contract while inebriated, something which is frowned upon in many jurisdictions. Apparently it is illegal to allow a very drunk gambler to play... but I know from personal experience this caveat is rarely enforced.

I consistently play only one game: craps. And even when I'm drunk (yes, drunk) I'm disciplined to only wager on the pass line w/ odds and 6/8 place bets. My bankroll is determined before I set foot in the casino and my ATM card stays in the in-room safe upstairs. These craps bets are negative expectation, and they will stay negative expectation no matter how drunk I am. They don't become more negative if I become more drunk, and the bets don't swing positive expectation if I sober up. The dice have neither a memory nor a breathalyzer.
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January 21st, 2014 at 9:01:41 PM permalink
I have seen a poker poker told they could no longer serve him. Of course, he was allowed to continue playing.
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January 21st, 2014 at 9:43:21 PM permalink
Quote: reno

In Nevada, a bet at a casino is considered a legal contract. Nevada law allows casinos to serve complimentary alcohol to players which means players may agree to the terms of a contract while inebriated, something which is frowned upon in many jurisdictions. Apparently it is illegal to allow a very drunk gambler to play... but I know from personal experience this caveat is rarely enforced.

I consistently play only one game: craps. And even when I'm drunk (yes, drunk) I'm disciplined to only wager on the pass line w/ odds and 6/8 place bets. My bankroll is determined before I set foot in the casino and my ATM card stays in the in-room safe upstairs. These craps bets are negative expectation, and they will stay negative expectation no matter how drunk I am. They don't become more negative if I become more drunk, and the bets don't swing positive expectation if I sober up. The dice have neither a memory nor a breathalyzer.




And when you are "drunk" the best thing is that when you wake up late the next morning, you will never remember if you devated from your gameplan, you will never remember if the dealer forgot to,pay you on a roll, you will never know if you forgot to put odds on and the shooter rolled the point on the very next roll. When you are drunk you are the king of the world, the perfect player. And the next morning you can pat yourself on the back on how amazing you were the night before...because afterall you dont remember any errors in judgement. This is the exact person the casino wants. This is why drinks are free.

A poster above recently posted how hard it was for him to get a buffet. Yeah no kidding. At a buffet the casino loses about 5 dollars aqusition cost value of food that you eat. They wont give up that 5 dollars easy. However they will deliver 20 dollars worth of alcohol to you until you are drunk. Hmmmm..I wonder why.

And there are legions of drunken gamblers who declare that they are the exception..that THEY are in control....and the casino doesnt make an extra penny from them by feeding them alcohol.....yeah right
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January 21st, 2014 at 10:37:52 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

you conventiently left off the part where I said i was talking about 99 percent of the gamblers.

I would guess that gamblers that bet with stacks of 100 dollar chips are 1 out of every 100 gambelrs...or less..


But if you wanted to take this time to tell us that you bet with 100 dollar chips as if its a badge of honor.....mission accomplished



My point is that your statement that the casino will only give you alcohol and nothing else is complete BS.

The reason that casinos in Vegas give you free alcohol is because everyone else gives you free alcohol and they have to compete. People aren't going to pay for their drinks when they can go next door and play the same game and drink for free.

In less competitive casino markets, they don't give you anywhere near as much free stuff.
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January 21st, 2014 at 11:16:41 PM permalink
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And when you are "drunk" the best thing is that when you wake up late the next morning, you will never remember if you devated from your gameplan, you will never remember if the dealer forgot to,pay you on a roll, you will never know if you forgot to put odds on and the shooter rolled the point on the very next roll. When you are drunk you are the king of the world, the perfect player. And the next morning you can pat yourself on the back on how amazing you were the night before...because afterall you dont remember any errors in judgement. This is the exact person the casino wants. This is why drinks are free.

A poster above recently posted how hard it was for him to get a buffet. Yeah no kidding. At a buffet the casino loses about 5 dollars aqusition cost value of food that you eat. They wont give up that 5 dollars easy. However they will deliver 20 dollars worth of alcohol to you until you are drunk. Hmmmm..I wonder why.

And there are legions of drunken gamblers who declare that they are the exception..that THEY are in control....and the casino doesnt make an extra penny from them by feeding them alcohol.....yeah right



Has anyone realized whether you're sober or not, no matter which casino game you're playing, you're at a disadvantage the second you put your money on the table. Everyone who plays sober can go ahead and bash all the people who like to drink while they're playing. It seems rather ironic. When someone posts a new "system" everyone jumps at the opportunity to tell them how foolish it is (yes I agree with you, no system works). If you ask me, it seems foolish to believe a drunk player is at a disadvantage playing the same casino game as a sober player. No matter the game, the house has the advantage regardless if you have different bets.

I will never argue that a drunk person can make better decisions than a sober person. I will never say casinos prefer to have sober individuals rather than drunk individuals in their casino. I will say that all the games are designed with a house edge (as I'm sure we all know). I've seen plenty of drunk people make large bets on craps then lose and I've seen plenty of drunk people walk by a roulette table and bet $100 on black or red and win. The same goes for sober gamblers.

If anyone can convince me that being sober instead of drunk will lead to a lower house edge then I will gladly say you're right and I'm wrong.
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January 21st, 2014 at 11:27:42 PM permalink
Quote: reno


I consistently play only one game: craps. And even when I'm drunk (yes, drunk) I'm disciplined to only wager on the pass line w/ odds and 6/8 place bets. My bankroll is determined before I set foot in the casino and my ATM card stays in the in-room safe upstairs. These craps bets are negative expectation, and they will stay negative expectation no matter how drunk I am. They don't become more negative if I become more drunk, and the bets don't swing positive expectation if I sober up. The dice have neither a memory nor a breathalyzer.




I couldn't agree more. I prefer craps but I will play other games as well. Everything you've stated about your bankroll is exactly how I work with mine.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 8:45:36 AM permalink
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My point is that your statement that the casino will only give you alcohol and nothing else is complete BS.

The reason that casinos in Vegas give you free alcohol is because everyone else gives you free alcohol and they have to compete. People aren't going to pay for their drinks when they can go next door and play the same game and drink for free.

In less competitive casino markets, they don't give you anywhere near as much free stuff.




the only reason a casino gives free alcohol is because every other casino gives free alcohol?????that is funny.
You are a commedian

Then think WHY DO THE OTHER CASINOS GIVE FREE ALCOHOL

WHY?...because they are nice people?

I am not a crazy paerson who laughs out loud in front of a terminal......but I am smiling.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 9:06:23 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

the only reason a casino gives free alcohol is because every other casino gives free alcohol?????that is funny.
You are a commedian

Then think WHY DO THE OTHER CASINOS GIVE FREE ALCOHOL

WHY?...because they are nice people?

I am not a crazy paerson who laughs out loud in front of a terminal......but I am smiling.



Loveman has stated he would like to get rid of the comped drink, but he sure as hell wouldn't do it if MLife properties across the street still kept drinks free.

I could be wrong, but the effect of free booze may be less powerful than in Binion's day. I also think the ones that casinos profit the most from drinking in the casino would still pay for their drinks if they were not free!
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January 22nd, 2014 at 9:22:06 AM permalink
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Has anyone realized whether you're sober or not, no matter which casino game you're playing, you're at a disadvantage the second you put your money on the table. Everyone who plays sober can go ahead and bash all the people who like to drink while they're playing. It seems rather ironic. When someone posts a new "system" everyone jumps at the opportunity to tell them how foolish it is (yes I agree with you, no system works). If you ask me, it seems foolish to believe a drunk player is at a disadvantage playing the same casino game as a sober player. No matter the game, the house has the advantage regardless if you have different bets.

I will never argue that a drunk person can make better decisions than a sober person. I will never say casinos prefer to have sober individuals rather than drunk individuals in their casino. I will say that all the games are designed with a house edge (as I'm sure we all know). I've seen plenty of drunk people make large bets on craps then lose and I've seen plenty of drunk people walk by a roulette table and bet $100 on black or red and win. The same goes for sober gamblers.

If anyone can convince me that being sober instead of drunk will lead to a lower house edge then I will gladly say you're right and I'm wrong.



I am sure there are more car accidents by sober people than there are for those with a drink in their system. Lets say then that its ok to drink and drive.

Will drinking or not drinking change the vig? Nope. But it will affect discipline, money management, decisionmaking....all important in winning.

If the goal is to walk up to a craps table and play until you lose it all....then it doesnt matter if you are sober or under the influence....mission will be accomplished.

However , someone who would rather not lose the entire bankroll, and walk away using some discipline with 300 dollars minimum,..if under the influence the discipline is negatively affected, and the chance of staying till its all gone is greater. I know I know....for thepeople on this thread its not the case, you all have equal discipline with 3 drinks in your system, as with zero drinks. You are the exceptions. Meanwhile the casinos spend alot of money knowing that for the average person(not the people on this thread of course)....the more drinks they give people...the better chance they have of losing it all....and even going to the ATM to reload.
The better chance of getting their last green or black chip when they throw it on the horn bet got the last bet.

Yes I know sober people play irresponsibly......just as sober people get in car accidents....so what. Just because sober people play irresponsibly doesnt mean that alcohol doesnt CAUSE people to play irresponsiby. Just as just because sober people get into car accidents, doesnt mean that alcohol doesnt CAUSE people to get into car accidents.

I have seen sober people not pay attention to the craps layout and have their chip moved by a die and not say anything, I have seen sober people not get paid on a roll and not pay attention gabbing to their friends and not ask for payment. I have seen sober people not pay attention and fail to bet odds on the pass line and miss out on the payout when the shooter comes right back with the point. I have seen sober people lose discipline and let their entire bankroll slip through their fingers rather than walk away as they had planned. I have seen sober people make crazy bets outs of frustration. I have seen sober players struggle to get ahead, and then instead of walking, stay and lose it all. I have seen sober players continually press their place bets until they lose.

But with alcohol, and the depressant effect on the central nervous system(for people outside this thread..i realize you are exempt).......the above has a better chance of happening....and the casinos know this....and the casinos provide the alcohol to ensure those scenarios take place more abundantly,.

Just because the house has the advantage doesnt mean you are destined to lose on each visit to the casino. But if you are drunk......the chances of losing on each visit goes up.(for the people outside of this thread)

I realize that the people on this thread have the exact same discipline, and decision making abilities with or without alcohol. AT least thats what they believe.

So I am talking about all the other people outside this thread. The tens of millions of people that the casinos target with alcohol knowing they can expect the alcohol to do its magic and bring in the money.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 9:52:18 AM permalink
Quote: befamous7

Has anyone realized whether you're sober or not, no matter which casino game you're playing, you're at a disadvantage the second you put your money on the table. Everyone who plays sober can go ahead and bash all the people who like to drink while they're playing. It seems rather ironic. When someone posts a new "system" everyone jumps at the opportunity to tell them how foolish it is (yes I agree with you, no system works). If you ask me, it seems foolish to believe a drunk player is at a disadvantage playing the same casino game as a sober player. No matter the game, the house has the advantage regardless if you have different bets.

I will never argue that a drunk person can make better decisions than a sober person. I will never say casinos prefer to have sober individuals rather than drunk individuals in their casino. I will say that all the games are designed with a house edge (as I'm sure we all know). I've seen plenty of drunk people make large bets on craps then lose and I've seen plenty of drunk people walk by a roulette table and bet $100 on black or red and win. The same goes for sober gamblers.

If anyone can convince me that being sober instead of drunk will lead to a lower house edge then I will gladly say you're right and I'm wrong.



loveman as a ceo would say that as i would expect. He is constantly under fire from organizations for feeding people alcohol and taking their money and unleashing them on our highways under the influence. He is constantly bbering sued by people who lost alot of money who claim his company took advantage of their altered state.

Meanwhile the drinks flow

Loveman has a long running commercial telling us to not gamble when drunk. This is so when he is sued he can point to the public service aspect of the commercial showing how much his company is soooooooooo concerned about impaired gamblers.

Meanwhile in my 35 years gambling..I have never seen anyone asked to stop gambling because he had too much to drink. I never saw a waitress deny an order.
I am sure it happens. But the vast majority of people get as much alcohol as they ask for. They may be limited to getting one drink at a time...but they will get all the refills they want.

the casinos want drugged up people making bets. Is that simple

they will say anything to make us think theytruely want to curb the alcohol use........but the actions speak louder than their words.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 9:52:26 AM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

My buddies and I had a pretty good roll at the Mirage once at made well over $1k each. Consider the fact we each bought in for $100 and you can see what a monster it was. we asked multiple times to get a comp for a buffet and were rudely rejected each time, if not totally ignored. When our roll was up be colored up and left. Didn't even give them a chance to sniff our money. If we'd have got the comp we probably would have gambled there the rest of our trip. As it was, the suit was a dick and we left and spent our money somewhere else. People talk about how easy it is to receive a buffet but not in my experience. I literally left over $300 on the table after the 7 came and I didn't get jack from the Mirage.


Maybe 15 or 20 years ago getting a buffet at a chain casino was easy. These days, I don't think pit bosses at any CET or MGM property even have the power to give discretionary comps. That's what your Express Comps/Rewards Credits are for, lol. So, I don't know who is saying that getting a buffet comp is easy at a big strip casino. It's not.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 10:07:21 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Maybe 15 or 20 years ago getting a buffet at a chain casino was easy. These days, I don't think pit bosses at any CET or MGM property even have the power to give discretionary comps. That's what your Express Comps/Rewards Credits are for, lol. So, I don't know who is saying that getting a buffet comp is easy at a big strip casino. It's not.



Are you saying that a casino would like to see people drinking on an empty stomach?

That they really arent as keen on filling the gamblers belly with food.........but keep the alcohol flowing?

I wonder why
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January 22nd, 2014 at 10:08:16 AM permalink
Quote: befamous7

If anyone can convince me that being sober instead of drunk will lead to a lower house edge then I will gladly say you're right and I'm wrong.



I agree with much of what you wrote, befamous7, but not all of it. For example, I'm certainly a better blackjack player when I'm sober. My blackjack arithmetic is better when I'm sober and my adherence to basic strategy is better when I'm sober. The house edge definitely increases when I sit my drunk ass down at a blackjack table. (Which is why I only play craps when I'm drinking.)

Not trying to brag or anything, but my superb slot machine skills are magically unaffected by how much alcohol I have in my system.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 11:07:32 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

the only reason a casino gives free alcohol is because every other casino gives free alcohol?????that is funny.
You are a commedian

Then think WHY DO THE OTHER CASINOS GIVE FREE ALCOHOL

WHY?...because they are nice people?

I am not a crazy paerson who laughs out loud in front of a terminal......but I am smiling.



It's called free market. The other casinos also give free alcohol because they have to compete. That is how competition works.

Why do you think that competition drives down prices? Do you think it's because stores want to make less money?
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January 22nd, 2014 at 11:10:01 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I could be wrong, but the effect of free booze may be less powerful than in Binion's day. I also think the ones that casinos profit the most from drinking in the casino would still pay for their drinks if they were not free!



That is true -- but, as you pointed out, not if the place across the street gives out free drinks. If there wasn't a place across the street, the casino could easily charge a few dollars for that beer.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 11:23:33 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

That is true -- but, as you pointed out, not if the place across the street gives out free drinks. If there wasn't a place across the street, the casino could easily charge a few dollars for that beer.



Oh yeah, I can see a new multibillion casino about to open, and the CEO is weighing the issue

"sholuld I provide free mind altering alcohol that negatively affects decision making and dsicipline of the people with hundreds or thousands of dollars in their pockets., a drug proven to losen peoples inhibitions, ......let me see.....I dont think so......but the casino accros the street offers it......so I guess I will have to give in and offer it as well."

I dont see the casinos pushiing the state of nevada to prohibit alcohol in the casinos for the safety of the general publics health and finances
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January 22nd, 2014 at 11:28:04 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Maybe 15 or 20 years ago getting a buffet at a chain casino was easy. These days, I don't think pit bosses at any CET or MGM property even have the power to give discretionary comps. That's what your Express Comps/Rewards Credits are for, lol. So, I don't know who is saying that getting a buffet comp is easy at a big strip casino. It's not.



I'm not sure about this.

I know that I get cigars and cigarettes all the time. I've had a friend ask for a pack of cigarettes when he first got to the table, and the pit boss said that he had to watch him play for a while first (presumably to see how much he was betting). So, these definitely sound discretionary to me.

I've also been in the high limit room and asked which booze I could get comped, and a pit boss told me that there was some max limit on the price (I don't remember it -- maybe $40?), and he said that anything higher than that had to be charged to my room, and my host would look at it when I checked out. BUT... I have seen people betting much bigger than I bet (like, 10x as much) getting comped more expensive stuff without getting it charged to the room. So, there is definitely some wiggle room there. The boss may have to follow an exact formula based on average bet size, but they can definitely give you some stuff that you wouldn't normally get.

Also, it might be different for different games. In the high limit slot room, I've had the waitress bring me a $75 glass of scotch with no questions asked, even though they wouldn't comp me that when I was playing high-limit blackjack. She also offered to bring one for my friend who was just sitting beside me and not playing (obviously the waitress doesn't care; more drinks = more tips)

(These prices are obviously super-inflated, but they are what the casino bar charges)
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January 22nd, 2014 at 11:56:14 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

Oh yeah, I can see a new multibillion casino about to open, and the CEO is weighing the issue

"sholuld I provide free mind altering alcohol that negatively affects decision making and dsicipline of the people with hundreds or thousands of dollars in their pockets., a drug proven to losen peoples inhibitions, ......let me see.....I dont think so......but the casino accros the street offers it......so I guess I will have to give in and offer it as well."

I dont see the casinos pushiing the state of nevada to prohibit alcohol in the casinos for the safety of the general publics health and finances




Navajo tribal casino's are dry unless changed recently.

I've never considered casino's trying to give me "free" alcohol as a benefit for me. I think everything they do is for them.
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January 22nd, 2014 at 12:18:56 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

Navajo tribal casino's are dry unless changed recently.

I've never considered casino's trying to give me "free" alcohol as a benefit for me. I think everything they do is for them.



Of course you are correct.

If casinos didnt want to serve alcohol, or give free alcohol...all they had to do is go to a state senator and say "the free flowing drinks at the gambling tables are hindering peoples ability to make sound judgements with their money. We want to protrect people from losing money uneccessarily. So we would like to sponsor a bill that prohibits alcohol on the gambling floor....or prohibits free alcohol to be provided, or involves some sort of limits to the number of drinks allowed.

Do you think the senator wouldnt want to grandstand with the support of the casinos and push through a bill that "protects the public".

But the fact is, that casinos lose money on the free alcohol they provide....but make much more on the other end in the more money that they win.
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January 23rd, 2014 at 10:28:47 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

I've never considered casino's trying to give me "free" alcohol as a benefit for me. I think everything they do is for them.



You're halfway there, but you're missing a key detail:

Everything everyone does is for them.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
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January 24th, 2014 at 12:12:05 AM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo



You're halfway there, but you're missing a key detail:

Everything everyone does is for them.



Of course, but the things most normal people
do don't include traps to separate you from your
money. A casino will do anything to get your
last dime, to them that's the unwritten contract
you agreed to when you walked thru their front door.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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February 3rd, 2014 at 4:15:21 PM permalink
Dice have no soul, no memory but they do have ears :)
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February 3rd, 2014 at 4:29:47 PM permalink
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Quote: reno

In Nevada, a bet at a casino is considered a legal contract. Nevada law allows casinos to serve complimentary alcohol to players which means players may agree to the terms of a contract while inebriated, something which is frowned upon in many jurisdictions. Apparently it is illegal to allow a very drunk gambler to play... but I know from personal experience this caveat is rarely enforced.

I consistently play only one game: craps. And even when I'm drunk (yes, drunk) I'm disciplined to only wager on the pass line w/ odds and 6/8 place bets. My bankroll is determined before I set foot in the casino and my ATM card stays in the in-room safe upstairs. These craps bets are negative expectation, and they will stay negative expectation no matter how drunk I am. They don't become more negative if I become more drunk, and the bets don't swing positive expectation if I sober up. The dice have neither a memory nor a breathalyzer.




And when you are "drunk" the best thing is that when you wake up late the next morning, you will never remember if you devated from your gameplan, you will never remember if the dealer forgot to,pay you on a roll, you will never know if you forgot to put odds on and the shooter rolled the point on the very next roll. When you are drunk you are the king of the world, the perfect player. And the next morning you can pat yourself on the back on how amazing you were the night before...because afterall you dont remember any errors in judgement. This is the exact person the casino wants. This is why drinks are free.

A poster above recently posted how hard it was for him to get a buffet. Yeah no kidding. At a buffet the casino loses about 5 dollars aqusition cost value of food that you eat. They wont give up that 5 dollars easy. However they will deliver 20 dollars worth of alcohol to you until you are drunk. Hmmmm..I wonder why.

And there are legions of drunken gamblers who declare that they are the exception..that THEY are in control....and the casino doesnt make an extra penny from them by feeding them alcohol.....yeah right



A poster above recently posted how hard it was for him to get a buffet. Yeah no kidding. At a buffet the casino loses about 5 dollars aqusition cost value of food that you eat. They wont give up that 5 dollars easy. However they will deliver 20 dollars worth of alcohol to you until you are drunk. Hmmmm..I wonder why.


Excellent point !!
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February 3rd, 2014 at 4:34:46 PM permalink
Quote: befamous7

Has anyone realized whether you're sober or not, no matter which casino game you're playing, you're at a disadvantage the second you put your money on the table. Everyone who plays sober can go ahead and bash all the people who like to drink while they're playing. It seems rather ironic. When someone posts a new "system" everyone jumps at the opportunity to tell them how foolish it is (yes I agree with you, no system works). If you ask me, it seems foolish to believe a drunk player is at a disadvantage playing the same casino game as a sober player. No matter the game, the house has the advantage regardless if you have different bets.

I will never argue that a drunk person can make better decisions than a sober person. I will never say casinos prefer to have sober individuals rather than drunk individuals in their casino. I will say that all the games are designed with a house edge (as I'm sure we all know). I've seen plenty of drunk people make large bets on craps then lose and I've seen plenty of drunk people walk by a roulette table and bet $100 on black or red and win. The same goes for sober gamblers.

If anyone can convince me that being sober instead of drunk will lead to a lower house edge then I will gladly say you're right and I'm wrong.



you're at a disadvantage the second you put your money on the table.

Very well put ! So true
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February 3rd, 2014 at 4:40:47 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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February 3rd, 2014 at 5:34:05 PM permalink
Quote: corvetteracing

you're at a disadvantage the second you put your money on the table.

Very well put ! So true




and the casino multiplies that disadvantage as they deliver your free drinks.....its a good business practice.
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