AverageJOE
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July 19th, 2013 at 12:09:25 AM permalink
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roulette-Strategy-System-Long-Term-Profits-/200938647255?pt=UK_B_I_Business_for_Sale_CV&hash=item2ec8e06ed7

3 available / 6 offers
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Price 15K.

;D

My opinion ,,, what a joke ,,,
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
DJTeddyBear
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July 19th, 2013 at 7:02:59 AM permalink
That 15K you mention is pounds.

Price: GBP 15,000.00 ($22,798.50)
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treetopbuddy
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July 19th, 2013 at 7:15:30 AM permalink
The system is being offered to three players only.......I was the fourth caller so I'm SOL. I begged him to sell me the system but he's firm on the three players only rule. Bastard.
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rdw4potus
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July 19th, 2013 at 7:40:21 AM permalink
I'm hung up here:
"The problem with most roulette strategies is that the Casino always has a 2.70% house edge on European and French roulette and a 5.26% house edge on American roulette."

Roulette with en prison does not have a 2.7% HE. There's no point in distinguishing between European and French roulette without considering that rule. France is in Europe.


Why would I trust this person as an expert?
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July 19th, 2013 at 7:56:08 AM permalink
But he does have 100% positive feedback. And if you pay with paypal you can dispute the payment if the system does not work.

Tree, thanks for posting 3 have already been sold. Talk about busting my dream. SIGH
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July 19th, 2013 at 7:58:31 AM permalink
Quote:

This online roulette strategy exploits the Random Number Generator (rng) of online roulette of which if detected by the online casino, your account will be terminated by the online casino. If done correctly however, you will have no problems and this is guaranteed.



It's guaranteed, as long as you don't get caught, because getting caught isn't part of the program.
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treetopbuddy
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July 19th, 2013 at 8:20:04 AM permalink
I've been nice to Ahigh so you think he would have made an exception and sold me the system.....but no he is standing firm. Three only.
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July 19th, 2013 at 8:36:30 AM permalink
Quote:

Let's do the math; 50% skill (Probability of winning) divided by 50% chance (Probability of losing) = 1% edge over the house edge in favor for you over long term play.



.5/.5 = .01

???

Let's do the math, indeed.

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Likewise; 90% skill (Probability of winning) divided by 10% chance (Probability of losing) = 9% edge over the house edge in favor for you over long term play.



.9/.1 = .09

???

WTF?
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whatme
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July 19th, 2013 at 10:26:17 AM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

But he does have 100% positive feedback. And if you pay with paypal you can dispute the payment if the system does not work.

Tree, thanks for posting 3 have already been sold. Talk about busting my dream. SIGH


Under coverage it says "(Not eligible for eBay purchase protection programs)"
MathExtremist
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July 19th, 2013 at 10:40:16 AM permalink
He also says he has an "online roulette strategy that I have been working on for the last 3 years and is guarranteed to hit single straight up hitting every spin of the online roulette wheel once mastered. This online roulette strategy exploits the Random Number Generator (rng) of online roulette of which if detected by the online casino, your account will be terminated by the online casino. If done correctly however, you will have no problems and this is guaranteed."

Wouldn't that be an inducement to cheat at gambling? Such inducement is illegal in every jurisdiction I'm familiar with.
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July 19th, 2013 at 11:04:31 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

I've been nice to Ahigh so you think he would have made an exception and sold me the system.....but no he is standing firm. Three only.


I don't know why you think it is Ahigh. It's pretty clear to me that EvenBob has generously decided to wise up three chumps for $23K each.
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July 19th, 2013 at 11:31:01 AM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

I don't know why you think it is Ahigh. It's pretty clear to me that EvenBob has generously decided to wise up three chumps for $23K each.



EvenBob would never wise up a chump.....though maybe for 23K he would consider it.
AverageJOE
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July 20th, 2013 at 1:22:48 AM permalink
My opinions ...

I am skeptical and when he mention in the comment field that he will show how to mark a wheel, then i am just not skeptical, then i know its crap as i have a better version of what he is trying to sell.

Point is that if you have knowledge you can id a wheel and follow it around when they move the wheel in the casino, with out making any marks on it, by hand.
There is more sophisticated methods to id a wheel, so conclusion is that no valid person speak of marking by hand.
Then is also has to say something about hes method, if he need to mark wheels by hand.

Conclusion is that he does know much about defect spotting or at least its old knowledge that you have to convert with today's wheels.

He is alone with no team, if he had made serious money, then he could not do it alone.
So if he was for real, then he pass the knowledge to hes team mates to continue and not selling it for peanuts.

I mean there is some existing valid and good methods that beat wheels long term, but they never see daylight.
They stay within the AP community with the selected ones.

The argument just selling it to three people is childish.
When they get the method they can do what ever they want with the information.

Sharing or selling it or try to become advantage player.

But you should never say never, sometimes incredible things happens.
Some one selling and giving up a past life style or any other reason.
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
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July 20th, 2013 at 2:44:02 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

He also says he has an "online roulette strategy that I have been working on for the last 3 years and is guarranteed to hit single straight up hitting every spin of the online roulette wheel once mastered. This online roulette strategy exploits the Random Number Generator (rng) of online roulette of which if detected by the online casino, your account will be terminated by the online casino. If done correctly however, you will have no problems and this is guaranteed."

Wouldn't that be an inducement to cheat at gambling? Such inducement is illegal in every jurisdiction I'm familiar with.

Quote: MathExtremist

He also says he has an "online roulette strategy that I have been working on for the last 3 years and is guarranteed to hit single straight up hitting every spin of the online roulette wheel once mastered. This online roulette strategy exploits the Random Number Generator (rng) of online roulette of which if detected by the online casino, your account will be terminated by the online casino. If done correctly however, you will have no problems and this is guaranteed."

Wouldn't that be an inducement to cheat at gambling? Such inducement is illegal in every jurisdiction I'm familiar with.

To start, I'm not sure why anyone is talking about this nonsense.

but since you are

I would like to know how hes inducing anyone to cheat and I would like to see some reference to how inducement is illegal.

AvrageJoe I would like to know if you are a part-time AP or a full-time AP if at all? If you are I believe that your comment on your tag line or what ever you call it, is really just a unique personal problem you may have, the fanatic/obsession type wording part you used that is. I would replace them words with passionate when it comes to most AP's. Also I bet the number of people who fail is a much higher percentage
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AverageJOE
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July 20th, 2013 at 3:10:49 AM permalink
This is based upon what i know and my opinions.
passionate does not cut it ...

Part time AP or with other words ,,, life time hobby ,,, or i can rephrase it single parent, work and hobby ...
I play, i have a small edge ...

I just wrote to a person who get hes own wheel, huxley ,,, just like my self in the past ...

what are you going to practice with your wheel ?
are you going to practice to set your RC parameters and play so you are more prepared in real ?

or are you going to practice visual ballistic skills ?

you mention that you wanted go all in and become semi or full time professional
to be honest i know two who can and two who does, so it is not common and pretty hard to achieve
i will not mention names, you have to build your own network and see who is who
note i don't mention all does who try ...

to be honest so can i only make one comparison ...

in las vegas based upon what i read, you can earn allot of comps, free dinners, free hotel rooms and so on ... ((( make life more easy as AP )))
it even exist comp advantage play and some who claim that some are making a living on comps ,,, playing around the clock ... ((( what a boring life )))
i even had a surveillance report in the past about the subject ,,, but lost it (computer crash) ...
comps based upon play and not loss ...

Then there is regular AP ,,, they traveling and prepare more then the actuality play.
At least what i understand when it comes to bias.

now you can not expect doing a common year of income ,,, you have to earn more ,,, can you do that ,,, that is the question ...
i would not expect it being a life or life style with glamor ... you should expect the opposite ...

now you don't have Las Vegas and you need work for a living, so can we earn money with out working and test life as AP full time ...
well i been thinking about this ... what would be practical solution ...

i think that in every country you have unemployment money that is a % of your salary if you don't have work ...
is a unemployment insurance

in my country you have to be member and pay for the unemployment insurance for one full year ,,, and have work to be valid to get insurance if you quit or lose your job
you get 80% the first year then after that you get a transfer into a insurance by the government/state and it less ,,, around 60 to 70 % of salary ...

that way you can be home and spend all the time at casinos, traveling and try your new life style ...
then at least you have some insurance for rent, bills and food ,,,

this is how i see you can start and try a life style as full time professional ...

when you have kids you have to think twice about it
make your life circulate around the gaming industries or have a regular work and play on hobby basis ...

in the end it become to be work as any other ...
you read and collect surveillance reports to understand how they think about you and what kind of counter measurements they use against you

traveling and keep contact with your network
fix a contact that can get you permission to enter gaming events from wheel manufactures and different seminarians ((( i have that contact, but i just play for hobby, so no real need for it ))) you just being a representable for that company ...

with other words you have to stay one step further at all times as its your living ...
so i assume many other things circulates around ,,, then just playing ,,,,

this is my opinions

then also comes the day when you grow old
now if you would have work for a living ,,, then you had collect points to how much pension you would get at age 65 ...
the money that should give you a nice time growing old and spend you free time with you child's children, traveling and so on ...

if you go professional AP i assume you have to save money as you would get minimum pension from the state ...
you can Google for you country rules for minimum pension

lets say its 700 Euro and you want around 1400 each mount when you grow old with pension to get decent life style ...
then you have to save 700 Euro x 12 for one year to be sufficient ... but if you have age 65 and are going to live to 95 ,,, then you have 30 years
that sure put things into a new dimension ...

And during this time you are going to make a living on AP.
you can not do it or can you ?

so you have to change or have a better solution for your future if you make it as AP
you win big and you buy a company selling coffe and donuts ...
then you have a goal to get a company that can generate money when you are old and let other work for you ...

what is dream made of ?

AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.


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AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
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