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May 12th, 2013 at 7:24:01 PM permalink
Good interview Dan. Thanks for the kind words about my site.

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It's just dead in the sense that it is no longer a really good career option anymore.



I would differ with you on that. I personally know quite a few people making six-figures annually at advantage play.
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May 12th, 2013 at 7:28:45 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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May 12th, 2013 at 7:31:32 PM permalink
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I personally know quite a few people making six-figures annually at advantage play.



And thats the tip of the iceberg. The casino has hounds
to ferret out the fox in the henhouse, when the real
damage is being done across the barnyard right under
their noses. (Notice all the creatures in my analogy. The
casino thinks its the lion, when its really the hyena.)
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May 12th, 2013 at 7:52:32 PM permalink
I enjoyed both meeting with you and listening to your interview, Dan. Great job.
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May 12th, 2013 at 10:17:38 PM permalink
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You're way off, Bob. It is a minor issue that'll finally be resolved. And me and teliot really made a difference, and we are proud.

I'm really comfortable, super comfortable with the way the industry is going forward, the way the industry is waking up, and the way the industry is responding. And Crockford's really and actually helped immensely, greatly.

The whole sense of that interview is that all is good.

The industry can keep going forward,but they are always 3 steps behind the AP`s. The way it usually works is the casinos implement new procedures designed to prevent something,meanwhile it opens up a new opportunity.The beat goes on.
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May 12th, 2013 at 11:13:40 PM permalink
I enjoyed listtening to this.

Early in the interview you mentioned some games that I never heard of and never saw in casinos... but I have to admit I don't look for them.

Unfortunately Hollywood is not looking for a thousand screenplays each year. A thousand may be written every year, maybe 30 get produced, and maybe 10 really make it to any kind of wide distribution, and the chance for a "new screenplay" making it are slim. Many of the screenplays that "make it" now are revisions of the same tried and true ideas... much like what you said about how new casino games are variations of what already exists.
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May 13th, 2013 at 12:45:08 AM permalink
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The industry can keep going forward,but they are always 3 steps behind the AP`s. The way it usually works is the casinos implement new procedures designed to prevent something,meanwhile it opens up a new opportunity.The beat goes on.



Yes, this is true. Advantage Players are often very serious, dedicated, and relentless, while casino workers are more of a "regular worker" type. It's a little bit like comparing a Green Beret to someone in the National Guard.
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May 13th, 2013 at 1:03:45 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I enjoyed listtening to this.

Early in the interview you mentioned some games that I never heard of and never saw in casinos... but I have to admit I don't look for them.


Early in the interview I mentioned Four Card Poker and Crazy 4 Poker, which are games that, while not supernovas, are very reliable games with hundreds of installs, and a loyal following. For Players who don't play them, these games seem to be invisible. But I believe these two games started SHFL on the road that lead to Ultimate Texas Hold 'em, which is really quite a powerhouse.

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Unfortunately Hollywood is not looking for a thousand screenplays each year. A thousand may be written every year, maybe 30 get produced, and maybe 10 really make it to any kind of wide distribution, and the chance for a "new screenplay" making it are slim. Many of the screenplays that "make it" now are revisions of the same tried and true ideas... much like what you said about how new casino games are variations of what already exists.


I was using a comparison, and I felt it made a good point. The public consumes countless new movies each year at a relentless pace, but the number of new table games that get introduced and make it each year are in the single digits.

I do think the number of new films being made each year (including Indy films and foreign films that get completed and noticed) are in the triple digits, certainly more than the number of table games being made, and that the number of screenplays written with the intent of being made each year are in the thousands.
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May 13th, 2013 at 1:18:21 AM permalink
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Good interview Dan. Thanks for the kind words about my site.


My pleasure. WizardofOdds.com was/is revolutionary; it really advanced the state of gaming for both the players and the operators.


Quote: Wizard

I would differ with you on that. I personally know quite a few people making six-figures annually at advantage play.



I wasn't particularly talking about an endeavor being lucrative, and it is indeed for at least for some. I was talking about a career.
It's like when a mother discusses and accounts for her children's occupations at a relative's cocktail party:
"Jim...is a Neurologist at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York."
"Beth...is an aviation engineer with General Electric."
"Eileen....is in early childhood education."
"Frank....hole cards Mississippi Stud at West Coast Casinos...."

I was looking at this business at a distance from this business.
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May 13th, 2013 at 1:50:04 AM permalink
Yet all of your examples are probably gambling in the stock market. When this country goes belly up, and it will, what will they have?
That hole carder could also be described as a businessman, extracting wealth from the gaming industry!
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