1st strip property to go Non-Smoking
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Most likely once things return to normal, they will revert. A casino was non-smoking per the health department for a very long time a built a clientele of non-smokers along with smokers in an "outdoor pavillion". The day they got the green light to allow smoking on the floor, they went for it and in my opinion, completely abandoned the non-smoking base. The non-smoking section went from 75% of floor to about 10%. Depends on how long there is a "threat" to health.Quote: ChumpChangeCan't smoke with a mask on.
Quote: ChumpChangeCan't smoke with a mask on.
Masks aren’t required. Encouraged, but entirely optional. I suspect the majority of those on the casino floors without a mask, at least initially, will be the chimney stacks and fog machines.
The time has come...no offense to those who continue a really, really bad habit and the Asian whales who the casinos covet. It’s an outdoor vice, frankly....taverns and smoke shops excluded.
Quote: VegasriderSo Planet Hollywood will be the first resort with gaming to go nonsmoking in Vegas when they re-open. About freaking time and I hope others will follow.
I think it's only a matter of time before smoking is banned in all Casinos. Smoking is banned in most places anyways.
Quote: VegasriderSo Planet Hollywood will be the first resort with gaming to go nonsmoking in Vegas when they re-open. About freaking time and I hope others will follow.
If others follow it will probably be to bankruptcy. The only way non-smoking works is if it is mandated. Then a lot of the casinos will close too.
In properties that I have worked with that were forced to go non-smoking business dropped almost 60% and still hasn't come back.
Quote: rsactuaryNot the case in New Orleans. They are all smoke free and booming. well.. at least pre COVID-19
I believe it is mandated there. If you give people a choice the smoking casinos will prosper and the non-smoking will either fail or go back to allow smoking,
All of their profits come from....
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The Palace Casino in Biloxi is (or was, pre-Coronavirus) still going strong. They have been non-smoking since they re-opened in ~2010. They are the only one of about 10 casinos in the Biloxi area to be smoke free.Quote: DRichIf others follow it will probably be to bankruptcy. The only way non-smoking works is if it is mandated. Then a lot of the casinos will close too.
In properties that I have worked with that were forced to go non-smoking business dropped almost 60% and still hasn't come back.
I have always said a fair compromise is separate smoking and non smoking areas either 50-50 or 75-25 (AC Model).
Quote: WishuponacometI think it's only a matter of time before smoking is banned in all Casinos. Smoking is banned in most places anyways.
In Pittsburgh the casino is pretty much the only indoor place you can smoke. Lots of non-smoking areas. In fact I think most areas. I only played slots when I was secret shopping the place so never had a problem there. As long as the poker room, sports book, buffet, and at least one bar are NS I do fine.
On a serious note, in my area the American (Seneca Niagara) is smoking, while the Canadian (Fallsview, Casino Niagara) are non-smoking. I am SURE that smokers from Canada cross the border to Seneca Niagara, and non-smokers go the other way. So in Seneca Niagara, the proportion of smokers is ridiculously high! Sadly for me, I hate the border crossing, as the occasional long wait to get back into the USA has me putting up with the smoke plume....
But both smoking and non-smoking seem to be surviving well, pre COVID-19.
It’s a tired cliche of “gambling and smoking go hand in hand” or other tired arguments. We said no in every other place....based on the concern for health of the population.
There’s no reason anyone should have to breath in smoke.
This entire fiasco of “casino guidelines for the well being of our customers“ is a complete farce....because they don’t want to address or even discuss or mention or otherwise consider the damn 800 lb. gorilla in the room as it relates to the potential spread of corona thru vaping and smoking.
From Sisolak to gaming control to the casino bosses...I’d have an ounce of respect for them if they would just come out and say “this isn’t a well being or safety or health consideration...it’s 100% business”.
They all know this.
Quote: JoemanThe Palace Casino in Biloxi is (or was, pre-Coronavirus) still going strong. They have been non-smoking since they re-opened in ~2010. They are the only one of about 10 casinos in the Biloxi area to be smoke free.
The Atlantis Casino in Reno has been a nonsmoking Race and Sportsbook for a few years now. Only one in Reno thats nonsmoking and they are always packed until Covid hit. So I believe a casino can be successful being nonsmoking. Got to start somewhere. Credit to the Atlantis
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It’s a tired cliche of “gambling and smoking go hand in hand” or other tired arguments. We said no in every other place....based on the concern for health of the population.
Nevada tried non-smoking in the bars for a year or two and that failed. Now if you restrict patrons to age 21 or over you can have smoking.
Quote: DRichBy the way, there used to be a non-smoking casino on the strip. Obviously it went out of business.
The first thing I noticed about non-smoking areas of casinos when they first started, was the limited option of games made it undesirable. Only as the non-smoking areas become dominant will that change.
Does anyone know the ratio of smoking to non-smoking hotel rooms casinos have today? If that is changing the trend is going to change the casino floor as well.
In my experience it's not many, and not in proportion to the number of smokers. I'd guess less than 16%, but people smoke in non-smoking rooms all the time and get away with it.Quote: rxwineThe first thing I noticed about non-smoking areas of casinos when they first started, was the limited option of games made it undesirable. Only as the non-smoking areas become dominant will that change.
Does anyone know the ratio of smoking to non-smoking hotel rooms casinos have today? If that is changing the trend is going to change the casino floor as well.
Why are you lying? Sounds kind of weak to resort to lying now.Quote: TDVegasAny smoking ban has to be done like it’s done in states where you can’t smoke in the casino...state wide. If we made a decision to ban smoking in movie theaters, restaurants, retail stores, offices and just about any other public indoor and outdoor venue....because of health, safety and not breathing second hand smoke or having to dump all your clothes in the washing machine immediately afterwards...there is zero reason why casinos should be exempt.
It’s a tired cliche of “gambling and smoking go hand in hand” or other tired arguments. We said no in every other place....based on the concern for health of the population.
There’s no reason anyone should have to breath in smoke.
This entire fiasco of “casino guidelines for the well being of our customers“ is a complete farce....because they don’t want to address or even discuss or mention or otherwise consider the damn 800 lb. gorilla in the room as it relates to the potential spread of corona thru vaping and smoking.
From Sisolak to gaming control to the casino bosses...I’d have an ounce of respect for them if they would just come out and say “this isn’t a well being or safety or health consideration...it’s 100% business”.
They all know this.
