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billryan
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May 6th, 2019 at 9:21:07 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

I think most lounges will be attached to a dispensary so the sales are simply next door :-)



Initially, lounges will be next to Dispensaries because they will be the first permits given out. They have already gone thru the licensing and background checks. Eventually, it will be like a liquor permit and take months from the application to final permits.
Clark County appears to be no where near the point of issuing anything, so it's only dispensaries within the City of Las Vegas that are opening them right now.
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May 6th, 2019 at 9:49:53 AM permalink
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I am pretty sure that they are not allowed to sell any drugs in the lounges,

Not allowed to sell or permit possession of booze, but can sell pot... at least as contemplated by LV city counsel so far. Could also sell stuff like the aforementioned chocolate and gourmet coffee.
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May 6th, 2019 at 10:07:19 AM permalink
The initial batch of permits are only available to places licensed to already sell pot within the city.The permits for other lounges are not expected to include sale licenses. The lawyer for the group I'm working with still thinks it's two years before it sees any fruit. I suspect this will be a patronage boondoggle.
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May 6th, 2019 at 12:30:43 PM permalink
The "dispensary first" path seems the logical way to go although perhaps not the fairest. Entrepreneurs at the council meeting, who didn't have a dispensary, were furious at being left out in the cold. They have a point. If billryan's two-year estimate holds up they'll be opening against already established and experienced competitors, some of whom might have already achieved some fame or name recognition the way trendy restaurants and nightclubs tend to do.
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May 6th, 2019 at 3:39:20 PM permalink
I think the real money is to found in the Clark County permits, not the City ones. Those are the ones I'm interested in.
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May 7th, 2019 at 6:39:10 PM permalink
Here is the current tally for today's Denver magic mushroom vote...
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Initiative 301

An initiative to decriminalize psilocybin mushrooms, or magic mushrooms, by making it lawful for a person 21 or older to possess, use and home cultivation magic mushrooms. It would also establish a panel to review the law’s impact on public health and safety and prevent Denver from using public funds or resources to prosecute people charged with psilocybin-related crimes.
Results:

Yes/for: 45.43 percent

No/against: 54.57 percent

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It looks like this can will be kicked down the road to Oregon in 2020.
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May 8th, 2019 at 7:10:18 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

Here is the current tally for today's Denver magic mushroom vote...
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Initiative 301

An initiative to decriminalize psilocybin mushrooms, or magic mushrooms, by making it lawful for a person 21 or older to possess, use and home cultivation magic mushrooms. It would also establish a panel to review the law’s impact on public health and safety and prevent Denver from using public funds or resources to prosecute people charged with psilocybin-related crimes.
Results:

Yes/for: 45.43 percent

No/against: 54.57 percent

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It looks like this can will be kicked down the road to Oregon in 2020.


This initiative ended up passing by a narrow margin. Results to be certified by May 16th.
https://www.denvergov.org/electionresults#/results/20190507
(results on the bottom of linked page)
Article with explanation of how it is still illegal but will be treated as low priority for law enforcement.
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/08/denver-psychedelic-magic-mushroom/
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May 8th, 2019 at 9:09:09 PM permalink
Wow! I checked this morning and saw the gap had narrowed but "Yes" still trailed by 4800 votes (about 3%). The times they are a changing eh?
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:07:16 PM permalink
Psilocybe mushrooms grow wild throughout the Pacific Northwest, especially in Oregon. Even in municipal areas, they can be found growing in landscaping mulch and bark. The research for PTSD treatment is very promising. I'd like to see this pass in other places.
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:16:27 PM permalink
Sheldon Adelson is an anti-cannabis crusader--his son died of a heroin overdose--but even his millions in political spending haven't seemed to slow the tide of legal cannabis in Nevada. I don't think the Venetian will be lobbying to open a cannabis lounge anytime soon.
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:19:18 PM permalink
Quote: Coastal

Sheldon Adelson is an anti-cannabis crusader--his son died of a heroin overdose--but even his millions in political spending haven't seemed to slow the tide of legal cannabis in Nevada. I don't think the Venetian will be lobbying to open a cannabis lounge anytime soon.



Have you seen the show VEEP? One of the donars is a satire of Shelly, only he out shelly's him. Crisis in the Middle East? Nothing loosening gaming regs in Macau won't fix.
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May 15th, 2019 at 8:53:55 AM permalink
Saw a foxnews report regarding Roger Daltrey angry at front row fans for smoking pot
Foxnews probably thinks Daltrey is against pot so they gleefully went with the story
Roger Daltrey could care less if somebody smokes as long as Roger is not around.
All Who fans know Roger Daltrey is not against pot, he's allergic to pot. Big difference
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June 4th, 2019 at 4:53:03 PM permalink
I saw an update on MCG's news thread.

It seems the state politicians in Carson City will be voting on a bill that includes a two-year moratorium on marijuana consumption lounge licensing and a 1500 foot space requirement from the nearest casino. The two years would be used to study how lounges would work. There would then be another one year delay as they figured out how to issue licenses. If passed, the law would supersede a city ordinance. According to a government spokesperson...

Quote:

“The governor believes that it’s better to address the issue of consumption lounges the right way than the quick way.”


So what's going on? Well, the bill is being championed by the National Resort Association i.e. the casinos who, according to those in favor of lounges, are stalling for time. Since marijuana is still illegal as far as federal law is concerned, there is no way the casinos will risk their gambling licenses to allow smoking on site. So what happens if--horror of horrors--marijuana lounges become big hits with the tourists, especially millennials? Many lounges will offer food and live entertainment. Suddenly there's not only new competition for tourist dollars but the casinos are frozen out of the new revenue stream until the feds act and by then they'll be years behind the curve.

To temporarily pee on the fire, the casinos seem to be calling in all their state government chits in order to buy time until they can figure out how they can get a piece of the action.

Full story at Reno Gazette Journal
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June 4th, 2019 at 9:41:50 PM permalink
Craps was going on all over the country, but when Nevada legalized gambling the sharp operators descended in droves, perhaps its the same with Pot Lounges: the sharp operators see pot smoking going on all over the country and know it will be a financial boon so its not so much of a 'let us in on it' as a 'don't freeze us out of it' situation.

Oakland did not legalize mushrooms but it did decriminalize 'shrooms.
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June 4th, 2019 at 10:57:22 PM permalink
I probably throw the dice better before my 2nd drink, but hey, free drinks! I can imagine I'll be bouncing both dice off the table with a light toss when I'm stoned though. Maybe if I collapse on the floor laughing security will escort me out.
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June 5th, 2019 at 8:15:10 AM permalink
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. Maybe if I collapse on the floor laughing security will escort me out.

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June 5th, 2019 at 8:46:05 AM permalink
Not surprising but annoying. Casinos (and I guess all businesses) hate competition.
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June 6th, 2019 at 3:44:32 PM permalink
Well, well. Oakland calls Denver's magic mushroom initiative and raises legal peyote.

Full story at USA Today
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June 15th, 2019 at 11:53:29 AM permalink
In another update, Nevada has now become the first state to ban pre-employment marijuana testing. The idea being that since pot is now legal in the state, you can't discriminate against those who use it legally. Unlike alcohol (which leaves your system in hours), or other drugs (which usually take days), you can often test positive for pot several weeks after imbibing it. The new law, signed by the governor (who was against legalization) last week, is designed to address the issue.

The law, however, does not apply to all jobs. Police, fire and medical personal must still be tested. So must truck drivers, construction workers and most union members (whose insurance rates would dramatically increase if testing is not used). Also, since marijuana is still illegal under federal law, federal workers and those receiving federal grant money are exempted from the new law.

Full Story at Merry Jane
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June 15th, 2019 at 12:03:02 PM permalink
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In another update, Nevada has now become the first state to ban pre-employment marijuana testing. The idea being that since pot is now legal in the state, you can't discriminate against those who use it legally. Unlike alcohol (which leaves your system in hours), or other drugs (which usually take days), you can often test positive for pot several weeks after imbibing it. The new law, signed by the governor (who was against legalization) last week, is designed to address the issue.

The law, however, does not apply to all jobs. Police, fire and medical personal must still be tested. So must truck drivers, construction workers and most union members (whose insurance rates would dramatically increase if testing is not used). Also, since marijuana is still illegal under federal law, federal workers and those receiving federal grant money are exempted from the new law.

Full Story at Merry Jane



This was always my question about legal marijuana. How it was to be enforced at the hiring level. Also, since marijuana stays in your system so long how it could be enforced. Some questions arise. For instance, does an employee hired in Nevada with offices in say Arizona. Do the hires depending on the states have different drug screenings now?
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June 15th, 2019 at 12:17:47 PM permalink
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This was always my question about legal marijuana. How it was to be enforced at the hiring level. Also, since marijuana stays in your system so long how it could be enforced. Some questions arise. For instance, does an employee hired in Nevada with offices in say Arizona. Do the hires depending on the states have different drug screenings now?


Yeah, it'll obviously be a mess for quite a while, especially with it still illegal at the federal level. My question has been level of intoxication. Suppose you spend a lazy Sunday afternoon smoking a few joints while watching golf on television. Two weeks later you get in a car accident. Although you weren't at fault, you test positive for the weed you smoked that Sunday afternoon and suddenly IT IS all your fault.
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June 15th, 2019 at 1:04:25 PM permalink
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Yeah, it'll obviously be a mess for quite a while, especially with it still illegal at the federal level. My question has been level of intoxication. Suppose you spend a lazy Sunday afternoon smoking a few joints while watching golf on television. Two weeks later you get in a car accident. Although you weren't at fault, you test positive for the weed you smoked that Sunday afternoon and suddenly IT IS all your fault.

Isn't that how they put that LV stripper away for hitting and killing some people on road clean up crew?
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June 15th, 2019 at 2:42:39 PM permalink
Customs personnel now have problems with testing devices being so sensitive that clothing and luggage can set off alarms.
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June 17th, 2019 at 7:43:59 AM permalink
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Yeah, it'll obviously be a mess for quite a while, especially with it still illegal at the federal level. My question has been level of intoxication. Suppose you spend a lazy Sunday afternoon smoking a few joints while watching golf on television. Two weeks later you get in a car accident. Although you weren't at fault, you test positive for the weed you smoked that Sunday afternoon and suddenly IT IS all your fault.


I believe there are blood tests that can do a better job of detecting *current* intoxication and not just use in the past weeks. I'm not an expert on this, but the issue was brought up during both legalization campaigns that I have lived through (WA and MA). The anti-pot folks would always say "there's no test! No way to screen for it on the side of the rode like a breathalyzer!" The pro-pot side would say there are tests that work. Then they would just argue about the science. Shrug, I'm not sure which side is right.

In any case, behavioral sobriety tests should be able to get us part of the way there.
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June 17th, 2019 at 10:22:10 AM permalink
They are working on them;

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/04/634992695/the-pot-breathalyzer-is-here-maybe

http://www.cannabixtechnologies.com/thc-breathalyzer.html

I believe these are 2 different companies, and I've also read articles on others that are researching them as well.
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June 17th, 2019 at 10:22:58 AM permalink
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In any case, behavioral sobriety tests should be able to get us part of the way there.


Slippery slope there. Many departments attempt to use "trained" officers to determine a motorists impairment but those "seminar graduates" are no better than a coin toss when it comes to pot or OTC meds.
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February 11th, 2020 at 7:38:00 AM permalink
I missed this story but it seems the Nuwu dispensary was able to bypass the stay on marijuana lounges due to its tribal land status. It opened a legal tasting room in October. Have any of you locals checked it out?



A WOV review would be great.
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February 11th, 2020 at 8:30:20 AM permalink
Weed will be federally legal within the next five years. There's no denying it. It's pointless for politicians to fight it. Just hurry up and legalize it everywhere so we can tax and regulate it and stop wasting everybody's time.
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