gregH
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:36:17 AM permalink
why is it that the dealer on blackjack can get countless cards going in its favour [not uncommon for ten or more and with regular occurance] yet the player and this is true for free blackjack version on wizard of odds too in fact, yet the player rarely if ever gets continuous roll of cards going in their own favour [at most 2-3 maybe occassionaly four].

somethings that always makes me wonder at the games fairness and the ability to win.

another thing it seems as soon one gets ahead one should get out otherwise because of this inbuilt unfairness the player will never catch up to his increasing losses which will undoubetdly increase because of the dealers ability to throw card after card in its favour.
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:39:27 AM permalink
A hunch? The dealer has more opportunities to have long streaks. Regardless of the hands on the table, the dealer must hit to S/H17 or higher.

A player, on the other hand, might just stop at 13 because the dealer has a 6 showing, eschewing the opportunity for a much longer streak.

Edit: Disregard this post. Misunderstood the original poster.
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:43:48 AM permalink
So by that reply should one instead of stop play on dealers low hand and continue to hit? Not sure of your meaning?
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:45:53 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

why is it that the dealer on blackjack can get countless cards going in its favour [not uncommon for ten or more and with regular occurance] yet the player and this is true for free blackjack version on wizard of odds too in fact, yet the player rarely if ever gets continuous roll of cards going in their own favour [at most 2-3 maybe occassionaly four].

somethings that always makes me wonder at the games fairness and the ability to win.

another thing it seems as soon one gets ahead one should get out otherwise because of this inbuilt unfairness the player will never catch up to his increasing losses which will undoubetdly increase because of the dealers ability to throw card after card in its favour.



I have won every hand in a shoe except for one (and a couple of pushes) before.
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:47:48 AM permalink
Thats the casino i wanna be at!
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:49:10 AM permalink
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Thats the casino i wanna be at!



Mandalay Bay, high limit room. Min $200 per hand.
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:51:13 AM permalink
Must be the continuous card shufflers!


Once played roulette at a casino where i watched on as 24 roles went of black only to start laying money on it going red for another 37 rolls on black. by time my money had dissapeared it finally fell on red!
I was disgusted. [Burswood casino here in perthb australia]
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:51:15 AM permalink
You act first. If you break the dealer takes your money. If the dealer then breaks he's still got your money.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:52:17 AM permalink
Anyway, while the dealer will have longer streaks than you do (you lose more hands than you win) you make up for most of this by doubling and splitting, while the dealer can't, and getting paid 3:2 on blackjacks. So, you lose more hands than you win, but you win more on your wins than you lose on your losses.

Count a little, bet more with the edge, and you can make up the rest of the gap.
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July 10th, 2014 at 12:53:22 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

Must be the continuous card shufflers!


Once played roulette at a casino where i watched on as 24 roles went of black only to start laying money on it going red for another 37 rolls on black. by time my money had dissapeared it finally fell on red!
I was disgusted. [Burswood casino here in perthb australia]



37 in a row? Here we go again...
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:00:30 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

So by that reply should one instead of stop play on dealers low hand and continue to hit? Not sure of your meaning?



Well, I wouldn't recommend doing it, but opening yourself up for the opportunity to get more cards increases the chances of getting a hand with a lot of cards in it.

Edit: ...Okay, totally misread the intent of the original post-- I read it to mean that the dealer's hand can seem to get a lot more cards without busting.
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:02:53 AM permalink
i do know that playing agaist the shufflers it does often pay to play agaist rational by hitting for instance even when the dealer has a low card and by not hitting when you have a low card and dealer has high card.
surprising how often it runs in your own favour.
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:03:51 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Quote: gregH

Must be the continuous card shufflers!


Once played roulette at a casino where i watched on as 24 roles went of black only to start laying money on it going red for another 37 rolls on black. by time my money had dissapeared it finally fell on red!
I was disgusted. [Burswood casino here in perthb australia]



37 in a row? Here we go again...



I got 61 black if I read it correctly. If only those roulette guys would trust the math. :-)
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:05:57 AM permalink
Quote: Venthus

Well, I wouldn't recommend doing it, but opening yourself up for the opportunity to get more cards increases the chances of getting a hand with a lot of cards in it.

Edit: ...Okay, totally misread the intent of the original post-- I read it to mean that the dealer's hand can seem to get a lot more cards without busting.




yes that exactly what i meant ie., how the dealer continually seems to get lots more cards without busting. Whereas you the player have very infrequent rolls to your favour.
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:06:36 AM permalink
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Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Quote: gregH

Must be the continuous card shufflers!


Once played roulette at a casino where i watched on as 24 roles went of black only to start laying money on it going red for another 37 rolls on black. by time my money had dissapeared it finally fell on red!
I was disgusted. [Burswood casino here in perthb australia]



37 in a row? Here we go again...



I got 61 black if I read it correctly. If only those roulette guys would trust the math. :-)



Oh, right. 61 in a row. Yeah, I'll take the under.
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:07:53 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Quote: gregH

Must be the continuous card shufflers!


Once played roulette at a casino where i watched on as 24 roles went of black only to start laying money on it going red for another 37 rolls on black. by time my money had dissapeared it finally fell on red!
I was disgusted. [Burswood casino here in perthb australia]



37 in a row? Here we go again...



I got 61 black if I read it correctly. If only those roulette guys would trust the math. :-)




no the roulette rolled for 24 times on black i placed money on it [incrementally upping it with each bet] but it went on for 37 times [another 13 times] until finally made a red.
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July 10th, 2014 at 1:17:55 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

no the roulette rolled for 24 times on black i placed money on it [incrementally upping it with each bet] but it went on for 37 times [another 13 times] until finally made a red.



Still no.
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July 10th, 2014 at 3:00:45 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

Quote: 1BB

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Quote: gregH

Must be the continuous card shufflers!


Once played roulette at a casino where i watched on as 24 roles went of black only to start laying money on it going red for another 37 rolls on black. by time my money had dissapeared it finally fell on red!
I was disgusted. [Burswood casino here in perthb australia]



37 in a row? Here we go again...



I got 61 black if I read it correctly. If only those roulette guys would trust the math. :-)




no the roulette rolled for 24 times on black i placed money on it [incrementally upping it with each bet] but it went on for 37 times [another 13 times] until finally made a red.

I'm not calling you a lair>>> BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED<<< Its unlikely anything you say from this point going forward will be believed.
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July 10th, 2014 at 3:43:56 AM permalink
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Its unlikely anything you say from this point going forward will be believed.


+100
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July 10th, 2014 at 4:26:16 AM permalink
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+100



I couldnt believe it either. D-er as Homer Simpson might say dumb dums- maybe it was a corrupted wheel!

Turns out same people maybe corrupting game at wizard of odds too. Unfortunately i have some very real [believable] stalkers who have issues with me winning at gambling. Trust me they were probably behind the wheel scam[roulette].

Their bunch of wacko fundamentalist christian evangelists [american] who basically for their own reasons and rational feel the need for an individual such as my self to live a live less humble like jesus so to speak.
And can almost guarantee you that they will know full well Im posting here and will be reading such things.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!




-hello sick stalers its been a long time now hasnt it YOU GODDAMN FREAKS.
yes I'm playing when you cant fiddle with the damn computer settings you dirty control freak sickos. self-righteous nanny state control freaks you are yes you are!!
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July 10th, 2014 at 5:36:18 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

I couldnt believe it either. D-er as Homer Simpson might say dumb dums - maybe it was a corrupted wheel!

Turns out same people maybe corrupting game at wizard of odds too. Unfortunately i have some very real [believable] stalkers who have issues with me winning at gambling. Trust me they were probably behind the wheel scam[roulette].

Their bunch of wacko fundamentalist christian evangelists [american] who basically for their own reasons and rational feel the need for an individual such as my self to live a live less humble like jesus so to speak.
And can almost guarantee you that they will know full well Im posting here and will be reading such things.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!




-hello sick stalers its been a long time now hasnt it YOU GODDAMN FREAKS.
yes I'm playing when you cant fiddle with the damn computer settings you dirty control freak sickos. self-righteous nanny state control freaks you are yes you are!!



gregH,

Take a break. 3 days for personal insult. Please read the forum rules before posting again. Thank you.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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October 3rd, 2014 at 7:58:35 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: gregH

I couldnt believe it either. D-er as Homer Simpson might say dumb dums - maybe it was a corrupted wheel!

Turns out same people maybe corrupting game at wizard of odds too. Unfortunately i have some very real [believable] stalkers who have issues with me winning at gambling. Trust me they were probably behind the wheel scam[roulette].

Their bunch of wacko fundamentalist christian evangelists [american] who basically for their own reasons and rational feel the need for an individual such as my self to live a live less humble like jesus so to speak.
And can almost guarantee you that they will know full well Im posting here and will be reading such things.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!




-hello sick stalers its been a long time now hasnt it YOU GODDAMN FREAKS.
yes I'm playing when you cant fiddle with the damn computer settings you dirty control freak sickos. self-righteous nanny state control freaks you are yes you are!!



gregH,

Take a break. 3 days for personal insult. Please read the forum rules before posting again. Thank you.



How is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia a personal insult? Sure, after reading this, I would fear for my personal safety if I ever decided to attend a WoV event, but insulted? No. He's not addressing posters, he appears to be addressing hallucinations.
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October 4th, 2014 at 5:10:05 AM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

he appears to be addressing hallucinations.



Well yes, but if the hallucinations are forum members...
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 4th, 2014 at 5:21:38 AM permalink
Quote: Sonuvabish

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: gregH

I couldnt believe it either. D-er as Homer Simpson might say dumb dums - maybe it was a corrupted wheel!

Turns out same people maybe corrupting game at wizard of odds too. Unfortunately i have some very real [believable] stalkers who have issues with me winning at gambling. Trust me they were probably behind the wheel scam[roulette].

Their bunch of wacko fundamentalist christian evangelists [american] who basically for their own reasons and rational feel the need for an individual such as my self to live a live less humble like jesus so to speak.
And can almost guarantee you that they will know full well Im posting here and will be reading such things.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!




-hello sick stalers its been a long time now hasnt it YOU GODDAMN FREAKS.
yes I'm playing when you cant fiddle with the damn computer settings you dirty control freak sickos. self-righteous nanny state control freaks you are yes you are!!



gregH,

Take a break. 3 days for personal insult. Please read the forum rules before posting again. Thank you.



How is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia a personal insult? Sure, after reading this, I would fear for my personal safety if I ever decided to attend a WoV event, but insulted? No. He's not addressing posters, he appears to be addressing hallucinations.



I agree. I see no insult, personal or otherwise and certainly not against a forum member. I'm sure someone could spin it in four or five paragraphs so it looks like an insult but that won't make it so. The guy came here, vented and left the same day. He probably doesn't know or care that he got suspended.

Unlike September, July was a slow month for suspensions with Larrys being the most notable.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
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October 4th, 2014 at 7:28:18 AM permalink
Quote: gregH

Turns out same people maybe corrupting game at wizard of odds too. Unfortunately i have some very real [believable] stalkers who have issues with me winning at gambling. Trust me they were probably behind the wheel scam[roulette].

Their bunch of wacko fundamentalist christian evangelists [american] who basically for their own reasons and rational feel the need for an individual such as my self to live a live less humble like jesus so to speak.
And can almost guarantee you that they will know full well Im posting here and will be reading such things.



OK, guys, we're busted! It was fun while it lasted though. Onward Christian Soldiers!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
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October 5th, 2014 at 2:21:30 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Quote: Sonuvabish

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: gregH

I couldnt believe it either. D-er as Homer Simpson might say dumb dums - maybe it was a corrupted wheel!

Turns out same people maybe corrupting game at wizard of odds too. Unfortunately i have some very real [believable] stalkers who have issues with me winning at gambling. Trust me they were probably behind the wheel scam[roulette].

Their bunch of wacko fundamentalist christian evangelists [american] who basically for their own reasons and rational feel the need for an individual such as my self to live a live less humble like jesus so to speak.
And can almost guarantee you that they will know full well Im posting here and will be reading such things.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!




-hello sick stalers its been a long time now hasnt it YOU GODDAMN FREAKS.
yes I'm playing when you cant fiddle with the damn computer settings you dirty control freak sickos. self-righteous nanny state control freaks you are yes you are!!



gregH,

Take a break. 3 days for personal insult. Please read the forum rules before posting again. Thank you.



How is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia a personal insult? Sure, after reading this, I would fear for my personal safety if I ever decided to attend a WoV event, but insulted? No. He's not addressing posters, he appears to be addressing hallucinations.



I agree. I see no insult, personal or otherwise and certainly not against a forum member. I'm sure someone could spin it in four or five paragraphs so it looks like an insult but that won't make it so. The guy came here, vented and left the same day. He probably doesn't know or care that he got suspended.

Unlike September, July was a slow month for suspensions with Larrys being the most notable.



Actually, this guy reminds me of Larry. Why do we always suspend awesome, hilarious people with great (multiple) personalities on stupid technicalities? FREE GREGH AND LARRYS!
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