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April 16th, 2021 at 2:11:06 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

OK sure, that's understandable.

Not so understandable to me, especally from someone from the Health profession. No one knows if you have been vaccinated or not by looking at you. Why not set a good example and wear a mask ? Get a comfortable, loose fitting one if you want, but wear a mask until the CDC gives the all clear.

. I understand your point. In a society that allows smoking, allows sugared beverages, allows unsafe activities of ALL kinds, I want my truly minimally unsafe activity of existing mask free to be allowed. The CDC, if I remember correctly, is now advising wearing two masks. I do not follow what the CDC tells me to do without thinking it through first. I believe society will be better off as soon as we can each see each otherís faces, even if there may be some incredibly small personal medical risk to it.
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April 16th, 2021 at 3:45:12 PM permalink
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Quote: JohnnyQ

OK sure, that's understandable.

Not so understandable to me, especally from someone from the Health profession. No one knows if you have been vaccinated or not by looking at you. Why not set a good example and wear a mask ? Get a comfortable, loose fitting one if you want, but wear a mask until the CDC gives the all clear.

. I understand your point. In a society that allows smoking, allows sugared beverages, allows unsafe activities of ALL kinds, I want my truly minimally unsafe activity of existing mask free to be allowed. The CDC, if I remember correctly, is now advising wearing two masks. I do not follow what the CDC tells me to do without thinking it through first. I believe society will be better off as soon as we can each see each otherís faces, even if there may be some incredibly small personal medical risk to it.



The difference is most of those activities do not harm others or expose others to risk.

Once 100% occupant load is allowed (and people are once again tightly packed), you can make an argument that masks are more crucial as people will not be socially distancing and probably crowding around tables again, and the types that love to hover over your shoulder, etc.... If you are sitting near somebody who drinks 20 gallons of Dr. Pepper a day, that does not effect you, but somebody who has potentially been exposed and is not wearing a mask can. If somebody is downing absurd amounts of alcohol and sugar beverages, that may not be wise for them, but it does not directly expose me to risk (I guess you can make an argument about drunk people acting foolish and aggressive, but casinos are pretty good at cutting people off before that point).

And, even if masks are required, you are exempt when you are eating, drinking, and smoking, which in a casino is like 95% of the time, so for all purposes you will already be surrounded by no-masks for the large majority of the time. For masks to be truly effective they should restrict smoking and drinking to designated lounges and on the floor you have to stay masked, but of course that is not reality. Now, I have seen some experiments for smoking masks (since smoke can travel through the filter to be inhaled, to allow safe smoking without demasking), but this does not solve the drinking and eating dilemmas which there is simply no way to do with a mask on (well sealed feeding tubes I guess, but that would defeat the purpose of eating out).
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April 16th, 2021 at 3:53:27 PM permalink
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I thought loose fitting masks don't work. They must be properly fitted to prevent leaks.

Yes, I agree with that. My point is that even if you are fully vaccinated, wearing a mask in this interim period sets a good example for others who haven't been yet. If not us, then who will do that ?
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April 16th, 2021 at 4:11:21 PM permalink
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I believe society will be better off as soon as we can each see each otherís faces, even if there may be some incredibly small personal medical risk to it.

We are in 99 % agreement. I know there is very little risk for you because you have been vaccinated and I am happy for that.

BUT please do NOT validate the behavior of anti-maskers who haven't been.

I am sure you know how serious this is. And that it is simply variance that Covid claims some but not others. The US is making great progress with the VACCINE, let's not stop now.

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April 16th, 2021 at 4:25:14 PM permalink
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I understand I will be trivially safer wearing a mask than not wearing a mask going forward. Although fully vaccinated, I still have an extremely small chance of contracting COVID-19, and if so, a very small chance of getting extremely sick or dying from it. By not wearing a mask I also increase my chance of getting the flu and dying from that. Probably the same can be said from a few other infectious diseases.

I have sat in a casino in what I call a nuclear smoke plume. I absolutely knew it was unsafe, but sometimes safety is not my main and only concern.

I have worn a mask at work for 35 years. I don't like it. In any place it is not required, I will not be wearing a mask. In any place it is required, I will comply uneventfully, or not frequent that place. The only place I am avoiding right now because of a mask requirement is the gym.



You also have a chance of spreading the infection to anyone who comes in contact with you.
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April 16th, 2021 at 5:15:37 PM permalink
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I'm done with masks (since Dec 2020). It's great.

And WSJ ran an article yesterday that said fully vaccinated have a 0.008% chance of getting Covid. Yet people keep wearing masks. Now, THAT's funny. [

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April 16th, 2021 at 5:20:31 PM permalink
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Quote: Gundy

I'm done with masks (since Dec 2020). It's great.

And WSJ ran an article yesterday that said fully vaccinated have a 0.008% chance of getting Covid. Yet people keep wearing masks. Now, THAT's funny.

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April 16th, 2021 at 5:22:14 PM permalink
BE honest Gundy...Did you ever wear a mask willingly???
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April 16th, 2021 at 6:13:13 PM permalink
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You also have a chance of spreading the infection to anyone who comes in contact with you.



They are not even sure of that. But if true, I am sure the risk I am putting people at is a pimple on an elephant compared to the people pouring out of my local pub into their cars.

My life will be run by reasonable risk/benefit analyses. Once (very soon) everyone who wanted to be vaccinated could have been vaccinated, I am hoping to never wear a mask again. Or have a silly plastic shield Ďprotectí me from another air breathing human.
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April 16th, 2021 at 6:15:06 PM permalink
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BE honest Gundy...Did you ever wear a mask willingly???

I did not and I am not and I wont. But I DID and I DO and I WILL. For the sake of myself and others.

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