bobbartop
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May 24th, 2020 at 5:45:24 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

It is the Fed printing the money. People think it is magic. It is the path to hyperinflation.




I was trying to explain recently to a friend who hopes his gold will go "up" to $5000. I said, if gold goes "up" to $5000, what do you think you'll be able to purchase with it? I had to answer for him, "about the same purchasing power that $1700 will buy you now". It's not the gold going UP in value, it's the dollar going DOWN in value.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
AxelWolf
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May 24th, 2020 at 9:09:12 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I have said many times they should not be collecting benefits when we open back up, which should be now.

Who will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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May 24th, 2020 at 9:19:28 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Who will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)



My advertising business was destroyed in early January because so many of my clients import from China. If the light switch was flicked to ON tomorrow it would take six months to recover.

Shelves will be bare for holiday shopping this year.
mcallister3200
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May 24th, 2020 at 9:30:47 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Who will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)



Itís definitely been too late to do it right the first time at least four months now, probably five, just choosing between different degrees of unknown wrongs now.

Going to take epidemiologists and economists to talk to each other and not down to/past each other to figure out what that is now. Crossing our fingers and praying might be better odds, as ever slim as that is, of that ever happening.
billryan
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May 24th, 2020 at 9:54:39 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

My advertising business was destroyed in early January because so many of my clients import from China. If the light switch was flicked to ON tomorrow it would take six months to recover.

Shelves will be bare for holiday shopping this year.




Let's just hope there is holiday shopping this year. I don't know your business model, but a six-month recovery is pretty optimistic to me. Here, I lost the prime tourist season and Bisbee has canceled Pride Weekend which is usually the last hurrah before monsoon season. People who know this region far better than I say this year is already washed out. With a six month lead time, this is when business's should be planning for the Christmas season but are in a very different mode.
billryan
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May 24th, 2020 at 10:08:10 PM permalink
Some people whose opinions I trust say there is an increasing possibility of therapeutic drugs being available in the next few months.
AZDuffman
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May 25th, 2020 at 5:38:32 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Who will pay for everyone that gets seriously sick or if it gets so far out of hand we have to re-shut everything down and start from scratch? It's better to just do it right the first time(I haven't any clue what that would be)



IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF

We did it right the first time. We overdid it. What are we supposed to do, stay home for 10 years until they find a vaccine?

Life is risk. You never know for sure. Let's open!
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SOOPOO
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May 25th, 2020 at 8:11:50 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Some people whose opinions I trust say there is an increasing possibility of therapeutic drugs being available in the next few months.



It is available TODAY. Remdesivir IS a therapeutic drug that helps somewhat. Looks like 20% less chance of dying? Maybe a little better than that. If you mean a drug that is MORE effective than that, I doubt we will find one before a vaccine is available. But there are a bunch of anti-virals that are being tested. Hopefully your info is correct and one will be more effective than Remdesivir.

Perhaps sadly, but our intensive care doctors, now with more experience with the sickest of the COVID-19 patients, are getting a little better at saving some lives. The advent of 'proning' as a standard procedure has definitely saved lives. Specific non ventilator airway strategies have probably saved some more. Anti-clotting strategies a few more.

There is no doubt in my mind that given two equally sick COVID-19 patients, one in March and one in May, the one in May has a better survival chance just due to the added experience and knowledge the medical profession has.
darkoz
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May 25th, 2020 at 8:37:25 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

It is available TODAY. Remdesivir IS a therapeutic drug that helps somewhat. Looks like 20% less chance of dying? Maybe a little better than that. If you mean a drug that is MORE effective than that, I doubt we will find one before a vaccine is available. But there are a bunch of anti-virals that are being tested. Hopefully your info is correct and one will be more effective than Remdesivir.

Perhaps sadly, but our intensive care doctors, now with more experience with the sickest of the COVID-19 patients, are getting a little better at saving some lives. The advent of 'proning' as a standard procedure has definitely saved lives. Specific non ventilator airway strategies have probably saved some more. Anti-clotting strategies a few more.

There is no doubt in my mind that given two equally sick COVID-19 patients, one in March and one in May, the one in May has a better survival chance just due to the added experience and knowledge the medical profession has.



20% less chance of dying isn't good enough.

We are nearing 100,000 deaths. If Remdesvir had been available from the start we would only have 80,000?
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SOOPOO
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May 25th, 2020 at 8:59:38 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

20% less chance of dying isn't good enough.

We are nearing 100,000 deaths. If Remdesvir had been available from the start we would only have 80,000?



Well, of course I don't know for sure, but perhaps, YES!

Penicillin, and related antibiotics, saves tens of thousands of lives a year. But tens of thousands still die from various bacterial infections. I consider the antibiotics a success.

I am just saying Remdesivir versus nothing is a no brainer. If you tell me I have a .5% chance of dying, but just take this drug and it is now .4%, of course I take it. That means it just saves 1 out of the 1000 people who take it.

I can PROMISE you, if Leronlimab had equally promising results, it would be front page news! Hopefully we will see it on the front page soon...

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