Dodsferd
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October 16th, 2015 at 10:13:05 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Wow... you lurked for years but yet choose to sign up during a sensitive time where people were sockpuppeting and posing as casino employees and whatnot and then presenting yourself as someone working at a casino in a unique position?

That would be like going to the airport soon after 9/11 with olive skin, a long beard and a box cutter.



Sure, if you want to view it in that regard. T'was a response to the activity of the forum, not a cry for justice.

Also, given that my intent was to provide beneficial information to the forum, and not blow up a plane, I think the comparison is a little off.
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AlanMendelson
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October 17th, 2015 at 12:18:32 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Traffic shows as down 19% year over year on on tool:

http://www.trafficestimate.com/wizardofodds.com

Many have made comments and complaints, but this is the way it appears the site will be. I don't think it is dead or will be dead, but it is not as lively...at least from my point of view.

Edit:

Sorry...this site is down nearly 26%:

http://www.trafficestimate.com/wizardofvegas.com

Both of the sites are down a lot, but we have no idea what that amounts to on the revenue side...how many people went to an online gambling site by clicking here?



I'm not sure I would trust TrafficEstimate.com It shows my traffic is down about 75% year over year, yet Google Analytics shows my traffic is slightly higher than a year ago.

TrafficEstimate.com is in the business of selling SEO and other tools to boost web traffic. I would be careful about how they rank a website. They just might be trying to make a sale. And with that in mind -- what a great sales pitch to be able to say "your traffic is down 75% from a year ago Mr M, but we can help you. Now, what's your credit card number?"

One of the biggest problems in measuring website traffic is "proxy servers." Take my website for example: alanbestbuys.com caters to an audience of TV viewers in Southern California where I have a weekly TV show. But my website's server is in JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA and that creates this question:

Everytime one of my TV show viewers in Pasadena, California goes to my website, are they getting a phone line direct to my server in Jacksonville, Florida? Of course not. What is happening is that their Internet provider is directing them to a PROXY SERVER in Pasadena, or perhaps to one in downtown LA or to a proxy server in Van Nuys, or maybe in Anaheim or Long Beach. That proxy server visits my actual server maybe once a day or twice a day to download my site. If I make a change on my website, the update on the proxy servers might happen more frequently. My "forum server" is in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles, so there my local audience might actually be going to it directly.

Each time a visitor goes to a "proxy server" they don't show up on the "server count." Proxy server visits can be totally invisible to the "number crunchers."

In the advertising business, we account for these proxy servers by multiplying traffic reports by 3X to as much as 10X.

I know that my TV show has 230,000 viewers. I'll be damned if I am going to believe trafficestimate.com when they estimate 1,600 visitors a day to my site.

By the way, there is a building in downtown Los Angeles with an entire floor filled with nothing but "proxy servers."
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October 17th, 2015 at 4:39:53 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman



Zuga:

Can you give us any idea of the lurker to poster ratio? The ads don't bother me, I just always wondered if anyone besides the top dozen posters here reads what we post?



i will only say that the daily visits to the site ( guests , lurkers , call them what u will ) are significantly higher to registered users online aka members.

And as the google analytics chart shows in my earlier message the total traffic to the site is on a steady rise .

this is why i said the forum is hardly dying, maybe bit less of posts or members online , but overall WoV is going strong.

Don't get me wrong we do recoginze the importance of membership here. most of you guys provide a valuable input and great content.

And we sure want to keep this community active , and it is why we took some of the advice from members when we switched to the new design, and made it more user friendly.
I know that was still not enough for some, but hey we cant please everyone.
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AxelWolf
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October 17th, 2015 at 7:20:16 AM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

Sure, if you want to view it in that regard. T'was a response to the activity of the forum, not a cry for justice.

Also, given that my intent was to provide beneficial information to the forum, and not blow up a plane, I think the comparison is a little off.

Yes it was over the top but it got the point across. With the general tone of the forum at that time you had to know you weren't going to be meet with a warm and fuzzy welcome. So of course you found it far less fulfilling than you had hoped it would be. That shouldn't have been a surprise.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dodsferd
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October 17th, 2015 at 12:10:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Yes it was over the top but it got the point across. With the general tone of the forum at that time you had to know you weren't going to be meet with a warm and fuzzy welcome. So of course you found it far less fulfilling than you had hoped it would be. That shouldn't have been a surprise.



I'm sorry Axel, I must not have indicated my point correctly, as it seems you misunderstand me.

I don't find that these forums have much interest in the Surveillance side of the casino. That's what I meant. Where most of the discussion comes from various advantages to be had from promos, or debunking systems, misinformation, etc, not much has to do with, or has any relevance to the knowledge or experience from what someone in my department would be able to join in with.

I didn't want to come across like I'm expecting a hero's welcome, just that the number of threads that I find any interest in replying to or having relevance to is lower than I expected.
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October 17th, 2015 at 12:26:08 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

I'm sorry Axel, I must not have indicated my point correctly, as it seems you misunderstand me.

I don't find that these forums have much interest in the Surveillance side of the casino. That's what I meant. Where most of the discussion comes from various advantages to be had from promos, or debunking systems, misinformation, etc, not much has to do with, or has any relevance to the knowledge or experience from what someone in my department would be able to join in with.

I didn't want to come across like I'm expecting a hero's welcome, just that the number of threads that I find any interest in replying to or having relevance to is lower than I expected.



This is where "be the change you want to see" might be appropriate. Most everyone on here expects that surveillance and game protection is proprietary and non-public information. Seems like you offered to talk about things in that area when you first came on, and had a pretty interesting conversation for a couple of weeks. If you have particular things you want to talk about, I would guess most or all of us would find them pretty interesting and would engage.
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AxelWolf
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October 17th, 2015 at 8:01:39 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

This is where "be the change you want to see" might be appropriate. Most everyone on here expects that surveillance and game protection is proprietary and non-public information. Seems like you offered to talk about things in that area when you first came on, and had a pretty interesting conversation for a couple of weeks. If you have particular things you want to talk about, I would guess most or all of us would find them pretty interesting and would engage.

I guarantee if you were a verified casino servalance person there would be a ton of questions and lot's of chatter. Depending on what information you would be willing to share. Of course AP's(smart one's) are not going to want to ask certain questions publicly. Guys that are really interested in this stuff(AP's mostly ) have already learned as much as possible. The main fear is that your not verified and miss information may cost someone a significant amount of money.

Your house may do things differently than others and that would be valuable to an AP playing at your casino.

Most of what you survalance guys have allready said is easily found on the Internet.

Can you tell us somthing we don't allready know, somthing that can help AP's?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dodsferd
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October 17th, 2015 at 8:09:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I guarantee if you were a verified casino servalance person there would be a ton of questions and lot's of chatter. Depending on what information you would be willing to share. Of course AP's(smart one's) are not going to want to ask certain questions publicly. Guys that are really interested in this stuff(AP mostly ) have already learned as much as possible) The main fear is that your not verified and miss information may cost someone a significant amount of money.

Your house may do things differently than others and that would be valuable to an AP playing at your casino.

Most of what you gus have allready said is easily found on the Internet.

Can you tell us somthing we don't allready know, somthing that can help AP's?



Is this still being called into question? I've already had my background questioned and I have answered every single time. The thread that was requested was created, and I further advised that I would provide more details via PM if needed, and there was zero follow up to that.

The focus on Surveillance isn't to thwart AP. We're here to provide asset and liability protection. As long as someone wins via legitimate means, I don't care how they do it. Have luck, coupons, promotions, I don't care at all. Commit a cheat at play, and you have my attention.

If you have some sort of fear of who I am, then address it.
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October 17th, 2015 at 8:14:25 PM permalink
" As long as someone wins via legitimate means" However if you engage your brain at Blackjack, do so at your own risk.
Dodsferd
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October 17th, 2015 at 8:19:49 PM permalink
Quote: redjohn

" As long as someone wins via legitimate means" However if you engage your brain at Blackjack, do so at your own risk.



Most decent Surveillance personal are advantage players in themselves. The majority of the learning curve for entering this department stems from the equipment used, as well as game protection - which heavily involves advantage play and detection techniques. I count myself at the casinos I am allowed to play in.
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