HowMany
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October 16th, 2015 at 11:22:33 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

For what it's worth, my brain got trained to ignore online ads years ago, they don't bother me at all.



And I thought I was the only one.

Ads? What ads? Where?

I must be completely blind to them.
Zuga
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October 16th, 2015 at 11:24:50 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

If the number of active members has dropped, then you are pitching the ads to the same people you always have been, except with fewer unique views. Just sayin'.



The traffic is on the rise so actually we are pitching to more ppl than ever.... WoV's visitors are not just the forum members, which are only small % of the site's traffic. Granted WoV members are very valuable part of the site, as they provide the great insight.

Lets put it this way, we knew that the ads would never appeal to most of the active WoV posters, but at the same time they were never our main target audience for those ads. We knew some of those members would be against the ads, some left coz of them, some like you ignore them, and we are really fine with that :)

Thanks for the comments :)
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darkoz
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October 16th, 2015 at 1:24:50 PM permalink
I was on the bus to ac about two months ago when I was started conversing with a total stranger.

He says to me many of the things I am recounting sound like an on-line blogger he follows named DarkOz.

I was shocked and admitted that was me (Yeah, my ego was stoked a bit.)

I inquired what his screen name was and he told me he was not even a registered member. He simply visited the site periodically as he was an interested gambler. He particularly like my Hustling Wars series.

So, there are views that are from simply visitors to this site. The few of us here who post are becoming more like sports commentators with an audience, yay!
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October 16th, 2015 at 1:58:19 PM permalink
Zuga,

Nice to see you reading this thread. I have to give you high marks for responding to discussions about the forum itself; thanks!

I personally think it would be interesting to have a contemporaneous chat room on here, ideally one where a single person can speak to a group, and the ability to participate via text (with or without speech enabled), moderated or not. We could schedule discussions on particular games, different promotions, with particular people of note (the Wizard, Switch, you, etc.), whatever folks wanted. I don't know what I'm asking in terms of software or programming, let alone bandwidth, but it could be a good forum traffic driver. JMHO.
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jml24
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October 16th, 2015 at 2:15:33 PM permalink
I don't post a lot, mostly read. I think the liveliness and fun of the forum dropped years ago when off-topic posts were moved to DT. I rarely check there but we used to have tons of interesting trivia and discussion from pacomartin and he posts pretty much exclusively on DT now. The other thing which has made it less interesting is that some of the old-timers with good stories got banned for personal insults. IMO this forum is a bit too strict on that, especially because there are some others that like to bait people into making the insults. There does seem to be a lot of soap opera stuff on who's getting suspended, banned, etc. but I just ignore all that. We still have several knowledgeable posters on AP stuff that keep me coming back. Even though I am not an AP I am somewhat fascinated by it and when I do gamble I like to know the games and the odds. Of course I'm not averse to getting money in with an edge when the opportunity presents itself, just not for a living.

A forum is like any other internet property. There has to be interesting content every time somebody comes by, or eventually they stop coming. New threads started by authoritative or popular posters drive participation. Yes, more up to date reviews on hotels and all things Vegas would be of interest also. Personally I also enjoy trip reports when the poster has a knack for storytelling. Some way to encourage those would be fun. Maybe something like trip report of the year gets a prize.
AxelWolf
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October 16th, 2015 at 3:14:24 PM permalink
Quote: jml24

I don't post a lot, mostly read. I think the liveliness and fun of the forum dropped years ago when off-topic posts were moved to DT. I rarely check there but we used to have tons of interesting trivia and discussion from pacomartin and he posts pretty much exclusively on DT now. The other thing which has made it less interesting is that some of the old-timers with good stories got banned for personal insults. IMO this forum is a bit too strict on that, especially because there are some others that like to bait people into making the insults. There does seem to be a lot of soap opera stuff on who's getting suspended, banned, etc. but I just ignore all that. We still have several knowledgeable posters on AP stuff that keep me coming back. Even though I am not an AP I am somewhat fascinated by it and when I do gamble I like to know the games and the odds. Of course I'm not averse to getting money in with an edge when the opportunity presents itself, just not for a living.

A forum is like any other internet property. There has to be interesting content every time somebody comes by, or eventually they stop coming. New threads started by authoritative or popular posters drive participation. Yes, more up to date reviews on hotels and all things Vegas would be of interest also. Personally I also enjoy trip reports when the poster has a knack for storytelling. Some way to encourage those would be fun. Maybe something like trip report of the year gets a prize.

Start a trivia thread I'm thinking that's fine.

As far as people who were permanently banned there's obviously a good reason. There's so many ways one can avoid that.

Let's take Mickey Crimm for instance, I want him back, but I understand that he had more leeway than anyone for a very long time. Mods did everything they could to keep him. They even deleted late night Black Velvet insulting rants.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AZDuffman
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October 16th, 2015 at 4:15:08 PM permalink
Quote: Zuga

The traffic is on the rise so actually we are pitching to more ppl than ever.... WoV's visitors are not just the forum members, which are only small % of the site's traffic. Granted WoV members are very valuable part of the site, as they provide the great insight.

Lets put it this way, we knew that the ads would never appeal to most of the active WoV posters, but at the same time they were never our main target audience for those ads. We knew some of those members would be against the ads, some left coz of them, some like you ignore them, and we are really fine with that :)

Thanks for the comments :)
Zuga



Zuga:

Can you give us any idea of the lurker to poster ratio? The ads don't bother me, I just always wondered if anyone besides the top dozen posters here reads what we post?
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terapined
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October 16th, 2015 at 4:34:52 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman


Zuga:

Can you give us any idea of the lurker to poster ratio? The ads don't bother me, I just always wondered if anyone besides the top dozen posters here reads what we post?



Just a guess,
20 to 1 ratio
At least 20 lurkers to every poster
Most people lurk.
I lurked here for years before posting
Most boards I still just lurk.
Boards are a great resource for all kinds of information.
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Dodsferd
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October 16th, 2015 at 4:43:38 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Just a guess,
20 to 1 ratio
At least 20 lurkers to every poster
Most people lurk.
I lurked here for years before posting
Most boards I still just lurk.
Boards are a great resource for all kinds of information.



I mostly lurk myself. Have done so for years. When I finally made an account to provide posts, I found it far less fulfilling than I had hoped it would be.
This feeling is heavy, makes my body ache and I'm ready; To fall into the sky and I see now, the reason why. My heart is heavy, takes me to a place I can't breathe. Only then I know why I see the warning sign.
AxelWolf
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October 16th, 2015 at 10:02:13 PM permalink
Quote: Dodsferd

I mostly lurk myself. Have done so for years. When I finally made an account to provide posts, I found it far less fulfilling than I had hoped it would be.

Wow... you lurked for years but yet choose to sign up during a sensitive time where people were sockpuppeting and posing as casino employees and whatnot and then presenting yourself as someone working at a casino in a unique position?

That would be like going to the airport soon after 9/11 with olive skin, a long beard and a box cutter.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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