MDawg
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September 18th, 2019 at 2:26:19 AM permalink
FCBLComish, do you work at Palms?

Palms. I won on the first night, so why complain? but still, I will.

Basically, the "high limit" aspect of the table games here, at least definitely with respect to Baccarat, is in transition. They are in the process of making the minimum bet $300. in their high limit room. But, what they are also trying to do, is make the minimum tie bet $300. if you have no other bet - i.e., if you bet "tie only." This is not in keeping with any major casino on the Strip, where even at a $500. minimum Bacc. table you may toss $100. on the tie and play the hand "tie only."

They have $100. to $10,000. Midi tables in the regular Baccarat area. This is not in keeping with the major casinos on the Strip, where a hundred minimum earns you a $20K Baccarat table max. (Even at T.I. it is $25. to $15,000. at their Midi table.)

Their Bacc. dealers are inexperienced. Twice, a dealer drew a sixth card after a bank 4, player 1, player draws a face card (monkey), and handed the sixth card to the player betting bank to mangle. They had to free hand that next hand using the first card that was erroneously drawn as the first card of the hand.

I was promised by my host that I would have at least two Bacc. tables to choose from in the high limit area. When I got there early that evening, there were three tables open, but two were reserved (for minimum $500K line players). So I had only one table to play at there. So I bailed on that, and went to the regular limit area, and the shift manager told me he would call ahead to set the table at $100. to $20K for me. When I got there the limit was exactly that $100. to $20K. I cut the shoe, and started playing, and some player who bets all these weird bets like nine over seven, eight over six, three card bank wins with 7, three card player wins with 8, nine over one, etc., a whole slew of them, came over to my table and started emptying the rack of purple $500. by hitting one after another of these 50:1 and 100:1 bets. It was crazy, these odd ball, terrible house edge bets, were coming up something like fifty percent of the time, and he was betting them to the limit, collecting ten grand for $50. on some of the bets, eight grand for $200., on others. After the second win they actually came over and LOWERED the max to $100. on the exotic bets so that no one could win more than $5000. on any one, but grandfathered that guy in with a $200. limit on the 50:1 bets.

The Wiz goes over some of these bets here
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/side-bets/golden-frog/
although their names have changed and there are now six side bets not just four.

I really didn't care as I was not interested in any of these crazy bets (although I should have been, tonight anyway), but then I suddenly noticed that the table limit had been changed from $20,000. to $10,000. Now it was a $100. to $10,000. table. The shift manager from high limit was suddenly over there, because EVERY FRICKIN' TIME this guy next to me hit one of those exotic bets for five or ten grand they had to call upstairs, and get confirmation and hold up the game about ten minutes until they could pay him, and sometimes they would miscalculate and try to short change the dealer side bet he had made for the dealer, and then later on they started claiming that the most he could bet for the dealer was $20. not $25., so they started paying the dealer only $1000. instead of $1250. on bets where the guy had laid out a green chip. I mean just silly, made up on the spot, ways of dealing with payouts. I knew they were playing fast and loose with payouts, but no one else at the table realized it, apparently.

Anyway, I played my shoe lightly for a while until the runs started happening, which took the patience of Job I mean I will run through a Bacc. shoe in thirty minutes alone, and this shoe was taking over an hour just to go through twenty or so hands, because they kept holding it up to "verify" the exotic bets the guy next to me kept raking in.

Then some silly tattooed Asian girl put $300. on the Bank, and while the dealer's back was turned after she saw that the player drew a six, which she must have thought was a nine, she grabbed two of her black chips off the stack. Then when Bank drew a seven and she had won, the dealer piped up about how she had changed her bet. I knew exactly what had happened but it wasn't my business, so I just sat there silently bearing the delay, until finally thirty minutes later they paid her her $300. I would have kicked her out of the casino entirely, obviously she was pulling back her bet because she thought she had already lost.

Anyway after an excruciating few hours I had won about two grand, betting almost nothing, like barely $200. a hand, as the shoe moved along at a snail's pace, and went back over to high limit. I hit a player run, and then decided to bet tie only, and the dealer booked a $100. bet of mine and paid it, $800., so I pressed to $150., but then the pit boss piped up about how their new rule in there was minimum $300. on tie unless you had a table minimum bet elsewhere. So I placed $300. on player "just to look at the tie," and sure enough it hit again, so I pressed to $200., and it hit again. Crazy, three in a row. I left $200. up for a fourth tie, plus $500. on player, and player hit, but no tie. Then another player.

When the next hand hit bank, I quit, just as the player who had been cleaning up on the exotic bets showed up. I passed back through the pit again to see how he was doing after picking up some food to take up to the room, and he was busy dumping all the money he had won so easily. He said he had a flight to catch back to the mid-west in the morning, and I'd be willing to bet that he'll board the plane broke. Quitting while ahead is essential for any game, but especially for Baccarat.

By the way, the Bacc. dealer told me that if he gambled, he would play Baccarat, and the pit boss at Cosmo I know well, plus another pit boss I have known twenty years at Venetian, all say the same - that if they gambled, Baccarat would be the game they would play. They've seen it all. They know.

As far as the resort, Palms is definitely upgraded. Lot of high end art, such as a $13M embalmed shark by Damien Hirst (why a shark that costs, what fifteen or twenty bucks a pound to eat from Whole Foods, is worth thirteen million when chopped into three pieces and embalmed, I couldn't tell you). The casino is much bigger and brighter (which the exception of the darker than dark high limit room, reminds me of the dark old Grand Bacc. table at the Hard Rock). The suite we are in, in the Fantasy Tower is nice, but just basic minimalistic style, something not so different in style from the suites at say, the Platinum Hotel on E. Flamingo. And it has only two small waste baskets, a little odd for a one bedroom suite.

The mini bar refrigerator or maybe the mini bar electronic snack stand hums. Don't like it, will ask them to either fix it or unplug it. Luckily it's a suite, so can't hear that hum in the bedroom, but I don't want to hear it at all.

Also, the mini bar and mini bar refrigerator were half empty when we got there (I phoned downstairs to make sure we weren't held responsible for whatever the prior guest had cleaned out before we got there), and there were...bits and pieces of chips, peanuts and...rubber bands, all over the living room floor. Strange. I called to have it all vacuumed up before we went to an early dinner.

In all, like I said, why should I complain, after all I won over five grand without even trying and barely even betting, but there are definite glaring inconsistencies and growing pangs at this casino's attempt to cater to high roller gamblers.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 18th, 2019 at 7:38:30 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg


By the way, the Bacc. dealer told me that if he gambled, he would play Baccarat, and the pit boss at Cosmo I know well, plus another pit boss I have known twenty years at Venetian, all say the same - that if they gambled, Baccarat would be the game they would play. They've seen it all. They know.



The day you start listening to casino employees will be the start of your demise.

I hear so many fallacies from dealers and slot attendants on a daily basis. Just yesterday a slot mechanic was telling a player that a particular machine has been over holding so they should play it because it needs to pay more to get back to its set hold percentage.
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MDawg
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September 18th, 2019 at 12:24:43 PM permalink
I agree with you, but then again, I myself do win regularly at both Baccarat and BJ, so I know those two are good games to play at the casinos. I'd never play slots period.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.
MDawg
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September 18th, 2019 at 12:33:05 PM permalink
As far as all the table limit and Baccarat issues, my host is having me meet with the casino manager today to discuss them, says they are open to constructive criticism.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people.
AxelWolf
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September 18th, 2019 at 12:40:27 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I agree with you, but then again, I myself do win regularly at both Baccarat and BJ, so I know those two are good games to play at the casinos. I'd never play slots period.

Most people that
gamble frequently win regularly. They just
Lose more than they win in the end. There's a few anomalies however that's just
dumb luck if its a -ev game.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 18th, 2019 at 3:03:58 PM permalink
I ate at the Palms buffet on my last trip. It was quite good for $20! The line to get in wasnít very long but moved SO SLOOOOW which is the only complaint I had with the place.

I was going to play some Face Up Pai Gow afterwards but I saw the dealer get four aces with a pair of kings as I was about to sit down and I was like, ďehhh, pass.Ē (She had gotten a couple of really good hands as I overlooked before the buffet as well).
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