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August 28th, 2018 at 4:10:33 PM permalink
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidschwartz/2018/08/27/getting-ready-for-the-las-vegas-raiders-the-north-strip-gets-a-multibillion-dollar-makeover/#6da76e171c1f

north vegas Strip is currently comprised of:
stratosphere, Circus circus, and Sahara/SLS

1) SLS was sold this year and new owner plans $100M renovation starting in 2019.
It's likely to be named “Grand Sahara Resort.”

2) Fontainebleau
- Financier Carl Icahn purchased the project for $150 million after it's 2009 bankruptcy
- last year, he sold it for $600M
- New owners plan to open it in late 2020

3) Echelon (combination of former Stardust/Frontier casino sites)
- The Genting Group bought it from Boyd gaming and will be named Resorts World Vegas.
- they are optimistic about its chances to open in 2020


edit:
clarified North as north vegas strip.
thx DrawingDead
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Aug 28, 2018
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August 28th, 2018 at 7:42:10 PM permalink
Sorry but I've gotta correct this bit of confusion:
Quote: 100xOdds

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidschwartz/2018/08/27/getting-ready-for-the-las-vegas-raiders-the-north-strip-gets-a-multibillion-dollar-makeover/#6da76e171c1f

north vegas is currently comprised of:
stratosphere, Circus circus, and Sahara/SLS

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No! None of those places are in or near "North Vegas." And the linked Forbes article does not assert that they are, and it even goes out of it's way to make that very relevant fact of the geography clear. This is absolutely positively NOT "North Vegas." As the article correctly describes, this is about the "North STRIP" which is located south of Las Vegas, continues further and further south away from the City, and is absolutely nowhere near North Las Vegas.
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August 28th, 2018 at 7:45:33 PM permalink
all that's nice but the billion dollar question is

Why should anyone go to these casinos when there are so many around?
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September 5th, 2018 at 9:52:43 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

all that's nice but the billion dollar question is

Why should anyone go to these casinos when there are so many around?



With all this competition, maybe some of these casinos will bring back 3-2 BJ and single zero roulette wheels...
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September 5th, 2018 at 10:39:48 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

With all this competition, maybe some of these casinos will bring back 3-2 BJ and single zero roulette wheels...



You can get all those things downtown at the GN, Golden Gate, etc. Although I don't know, some of those options might also be offered at the "lesser" casino so on the strip. The Monte Carlo and Linque (nice properties though) might have it. Although I've never stayed there I've heard that both the Luxor and Exalibur are dumps s maybe there too.
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September 5th, 2018 at 1:30:23 PM permalink
SLS just changed ATS to standard strip payouts a few months ago. Those NORTH properties are not going to make it better for players. That is why they are all dead. Dead means quiet during day time and night time. The only time they have some business is on Friday and Saturday night. SLS posts $25 min. on craps but you can bet $10. Seriously, you can bet $10. If SLS does not change its mentality, no matter how much money they put into, they will never get business.
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September 5th, 2018 at 2:01:02 PM permalink
I think the Strip needs to start expanding East-West instead of North-South.
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September 5th, 2018 at 2:40:34 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I think the Strip needs to start expanding East-West instead of North-South.



I always wondered why that didn't happen. Why not make another strip towards the rio. Or maybe behind Ballys towards ellis.
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September 5th, 2018 at 4:23:02 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

With all this competition, maybe some of these casinos will bring back 3-2 BJ and single zero roulette wheels...



Will never happen. The kind of people that stay at the fancy places do not know or care about better rules. They like a fancy place that looks nice. Best chance to get a place good for players on the Strip is to dig up Frank Rosenthal and get him out of the Black Book.
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September 5th, 2018 at 4:39:00 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Will never happen. The kind of people that stay at the fancy places do not know or care about better rules. They like a fancy place that looks nice. Best chance to get a place good for players on the Strip is to dig up Frank Rosenthal and get him out of the Black Book.

What am I missing. I played 3:2 BJ S17 DAS with surrender at Bellagio a couple months ago.
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September 5th, 2018 at 5:00:31 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

You can get all those things downtown at the GN, Golden Gate, etc. Although I don't know, some of those options might also be offered at the "lesser" casino so on the strip. The Monte Carlo and Linque (nice properties though) might have it.



The Monte Carlo is no more.

MGM remodeled and rebranded it "Park MGM."
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September 5th, 2018 at 7:45:48 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

What am I missing. I played 3:2 BJ S17 DAS with surrender at Bellagio a couple months ago.



Not everyone wants to play $100 min tables. That's what you're missing.
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December 10th, 2018 at 8:19:30 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds


3) Echelon (combination of former Stardust/Frontier casino sites)
- The Genting Group bought it from Boyd gaming and will be named Resorts World Vegas.
- they are optimistic about its chances to open in 2020


update:
Resorts World Vegas completion time pushed back till 2021.
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December 10th, 2018 at 8:33:33 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Not everyone wants to play $100 min tables. That's what you're missing.

Believe it was a $25 table, but frankly don’t recall definitively.
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December 10th, 2018 at 9:11:32 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Believe it was a $25 table, but frankly don’t recall definitively.


As of my last trip to Vegas which is admittedly dated (2015 Feb), you could still find these rules (3:2, S17, LS being the most relevant, mix of 6D and 2D) at most of the "nicer" MGM casinos (MGM Grand, Bellagio, Mirage, Aria) for $25 or $50 minimums. They are in a separate pit away from the other BJ games (except at Aria, where they are at the far end of the really long table games area). At Bellagio and MGM they are near the crap tables. In my journeys you could usually find at least one table with $25 minimums everywhere but Aria, never found it for less than $50 there.

Monte Carlo used to have one single solitary S17 table outside the high limit area, but it was gone on that last trip.

I am glad to hear unJon's report, as hopefully these pits are sticking around. I wouldn't be surprised if they are all $50 and up these days, with inflation.

On this same trip I was surprised to find these same rules at $25 minimum at Bally's, not in a high limit "room" so to speak, but a raised area near the main pit. Dropped several thousand in big bets during a hot count at that table >:o. Such is life of the card counter.

Also found those same rules inside the high limit room at CP ($200 min) and Harrah's ($100 min), but $25 min is all my meager bankroll could support at that time.
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December 10th, 2018 at 9:15:28 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The kind of people that stay at the fancy places do not know or care about better rules. They like a fancy place that looks nice.

I'm not so sure. Sometimes they just don't know about the better rules but if the better rules place gets some publicity about 'real gamblers' going there then the swells will go there too just too rub shoulders with a new 'in crowd'.

Low table minimums can draw players and many of those players will stay even if limits go up during prime time.
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