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Ayecarumba
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May 3rd, 2017 at 10:13:46 AM permalink
According to the Las Vegas Convention and Visitor Bureau, what do you think was the average age of visitors to Las Vegas in 2016?

No internet searches please.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 10:17:50 AM permalink
Wild guess- 34
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May 3rd, 2017 at 10:57:36 AM permalink
I'd guess 41.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 11:00:19 AM permalink
My guess is 39
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May 3rd, 2017 at 11:59:03 AM permalink
My guess is 48
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:02:00 PM permalink
I'd be interested to hear the thinking behind the guesses. Is it from casual observation? Is there a method or formula?
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:09:58 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I'd be interested to hear the thinking behind the guesses. Is it from casual observation? Is there a method or formula?



Not many under 18. Lots of college age kids. I think the senior set is diminishing with the availability to gamble local and Vegas not offering the greatest of deals anymore. Lots of business travelers, who are in the 25-55 range. All casual observations mixed with a touch of madness.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:12:22 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I'd be interested to hear the thinking behind the guesses. Is it from casual observation? Is there a method or formula?



Casual observation on my part. Vegas is a city that attracts young and old alike. Lots of 20-somethings go to party at all the dayclubs and nightclubs. And there is obviously no shortage of old people who visit too. So I figured the average would be somewhere in the 40s.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:16:07 PM permalink
It is middle age, in the forties or fifties, And she is slightly female. And has about a $500-$600 gambling budget she plans to spend on that part of her entertainment during an average stay of several days. Didn't look it up for this, but I do routinely read the market research which is regularly published by LCVA, UNLV, and others, and widely reported in the local press.

EDIT to add: And has very little in common with this forum, including so many of those I've met who've seen it while looking around, quickly went "Oh... my.. freeking... dog..." and quickly decided they wanted to have nothing to do with it, preferring to chat with folks in different kind of place with more *ahem* 'normal person' vibe, so to speak.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:16:45 PM permalink
46 is my guess

The older crowd is not coming as much
The younger crowd doesnt have money or is cheap.
30ish people are having babies and its tough to get away
mid to late 40s, kids are older and can come or can stay home with no problem.

I would guess that many many visitors are from 42-55
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:41:49 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I'd be interested to hear the thinking behind the guesses. Is it from casual observation? Is there a method or formula?



if it was median it would be harder. since its average you know its going to be higher straight off the bat from senior citizens. the average is also skewed higher from low numbers of people under 21. then you figure married people with good income make up a significant portion of visitors it wasn't hard to make the correct guess.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:48:03 PM permalink
44 y/o
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May 3rd, 2017 at 1:00:07 PM permalink
For the record, I guesstimated 51 since the poll required something more than "middle aged." And now I've looked it up. Didn't nail it. Won't say which direction I missed 'till the OP closes the poll. My recollection is that it has varied by as much as about four or five years at times over the last couple of decades, both up and down.

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May 3rd, 2017 at 1:11:45 PM permalink
Quote: RS

44 y/o



When I first saw this, I thought 44 yo's...
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May 3rd, 2017 at 1:28:35 PM permalink
Thank you for the responses. A pdf of the 2016 report can be downloaded here.

Quote: LVCVA 2016 Las Vegas Visitor Profile Study

"The proportion of visitors who were 40 years old or older was just over one-half and the average age was 44.0. Both measures are the lowest observed over the past five years."



Interestingly, the average (which is the Mean) was 47.7 in 2015.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 1:33:50 PM permalink
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When I first saw this, I thought 44 yo's...


That's what I meant. I'm not sure why there's a forward slash in there.


Oh look, I'm right!


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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:34:45 PM permalink
I haven't looked yet.

I say 53. Biggest draw is conventions, followed by Sr citizen tours. Even with family recruitment, 90%+ will be over 21.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:38:15 PM permalink
I voted 0-9 because that's the average age people act like in Vegas.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:52:28 PM permalink
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I voted 0-9 because that's the average age people act like in Vegas.


I don't know why I just thought of this, but, if I ever have kids, and my kid is less than a year old, and someone asks how old my baby is, I'm just gonna say, "He's zero." I guess this would apply to a niece or nephew as well.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 9:11:37 PM permalink
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I voted 0-9 because that's the average age people act like in Vegas.


I don't know why I just thought of this, but, if I ever have kids, and my kid is less than a year old, and someone asks how old my baby is, I'm just gonna say, "He's zero." I guess this would apply to a niece or nephew as well.


If all of us were on Pluto right now, we'd all be 0.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 10:09:03 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Not many under 18. Lots of college age kids. I think the senior set is diminishing with the availability to gamble local and Vegas not offering the greatest of deals anymore. Lots of business travelers, who are in the 25-55 range. All casual observations mixed with a touch of madness.



I was in Vegas once when I was 17 or 18. I am planning on heading back very soon now that I am past the age where the government says I can make poor decisions legally.

I did make one poor decision though. For whatever reason I decided to walk from the Venetian to Rio in the middle of an August day to retrieve the Penn and Teller tickets I bought at one of those 50% OFF SHOWS kiosks. The fact that the cab ride back was like $3 just added insult to injury.

Although there was a few boring moments, I was able to fill most of the week with non gambling/drinking activities. You can kill quite a bit of time moseying up and down the strip doing the random attractions and collecting all the nudie cards flicked in my face. I also saw a bunch of shows and went to some tourist trap gun range where it was like $2.50/round to shoot a Glock.

I wanted to visit the Pawn Stars shop because that show is a dirty guilty pleasure of mine, but decided against it since I figured it would be lame/crowded with the show getting so popular. But even better, I met that rare book expert who is on the show all the time working at Baum's in the Venetian. I'm pretty certain I annoyed the hell out of her asking 1000 questions about the show with clearly no intention on dropping $20k for a first edition of Moby Dick.

Somehow I missed Freemont street. I also want to see the hoover dam when I go back.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 10:38:13 PM permalink
I think it's 37 ;)
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May 3rd, 2017 at 10:43:04 PM permalink
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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I voted 0-9 because that's the average age people act like in Vegas.


I don't know why I just thought of this, but, if I ever have kids, and my kid is less than a year old, and someone asks how old my baby is, I'm just gonna say, "He's zero." I guess this would apply to a niece or nephew as well.



Zero and a half.
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May 4th, 2017 at 12:12:03 AM permalink
The report is interesting because it states that the average visitor will gamble for X hours during their stay.

2 hours
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:13:14 AM permalink
I believe you guys are underestimating the number of 21-22 year olds. My guess is that the median would be 30-35, but the mean would be closer to 40-45. With a bunch of 55-65+ skewing the average.
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:20:19 AM permalink
38?? ...
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May 4th, 2017 at 9:40:28 AM permalink
That's the problem with the term "Average". Using one method, an 85 year old negates four 21 year olds.
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May 4th, 2017 at 10:55:30 AM permalink
Well now, in the unlikely event some of the more impulsive narcissistic folk who tend to join here ever become interested in actual data, rather than living inside their eternally fevered imaginations, enough to invest the approximately three seconds required to look (http://www.lvcva.com/includes/content/images/media/docs/2016-Las-Vegas-Visitor-Profile.pd -table pg. 50) they would quickly discover the median age band also happens to be very near the average age.

Hardly surprising, since over 70% of LV visitors continue to be people who are married, with long term stable employment, with the median household income being near $80k and a scant 12% of visitors having an income of < $40k in their household. Both the youngest and oldest age cohorts have each fluctuated between the same 12-19% of the total over the last half decade. The numbers of kiddies and geezers are not particularly "skewed" or "negated" either towards or away from the result that some apparently really want to find a way to "see."

Or, one could just stand and look some day. After first finding the off switch for the endless video loop going on inside the furry confines of the developing noggin.
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May 4th, 2017 at 11:20:40 AM permalink
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I was in Vegas once when I was 17 or 18...

I was about 15-16. A cross-country move by my folks somehow absolutey required going through Las Vegas between New Orleans and Seattle. Apparently road maps were kind of different back then. I was given rolls of quarters for being abandoned (*sniff*) in the enormous epic pinball machine arcade I discovered next to the casino gaming floor, and the guilt over doing so provided me with a license for endless refills, and a "Get Out of Parental Questions Free" card. It was great. Probably still is, though maybe it wouldn't be pinball now.
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May 5th, 2017 at 6:06:51 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

The report is interesting because it states that the average visitor will gamble for X hours during their stay.

2 hours


Wow! Now that is not at all what I expected. This report makes for some interesting reading. Thanks for posting the link. I would love to see a similar set of stats for casinos in other locations, esp AC and Macau.
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May 5th, 2017 at 9:47:58 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Quote: Ayecarumba

The report is interesting because it states that the average visitor will gamble for X hours during their stay.

2 hours


Wow! Now that is not at all what I expected. This report makes for some interesting reading. Thanks for posting the link. I would love to see a similar set of stats for casinos in other locations, esp AC and Macau.



You are welcome. I wonder about the sharp difference in the average age compared to last year though. These kinds of big differences usually point to flaws in the survey methodology. However, it could also be that the times they are a changing... Take "Day Clubs" for example. The fact that they are a viable blows my mind. Who first figured out folks would pay four digit sums to sit in a cabana? Genius! However, the casino manager must be dying on the inside watching his gambling revenue go to the "entertainment and hospitality" side of the house.
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May 5th, 2017 at 11:01:57 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

You are welcome. I wonder about the sharp difference in the average age compared to last year though. These kinds of big differences usually point to flaws in the survey methodology. However, it could also be that the times they are a changing... Take "Day Clubs" for example. The fact that they are a viable blows my mind. Who first figured out folks would pay four digit sums to sit in a cabana? Genius! However, the casino manager must be dying on the inside watching his gambling revenue go to the "entertainment and hospitality" side of the house.



Hey now, I agree that it's absolutely bonkers how much these day clubs are making, but I kind of understand the mindset of the day club goer. I was one of them about 10 years ago. There is something about blowing 4 figures to invite bikini-clad, perfectly fit/tanned girls to your cabana to share a drink or two, and to stare at them discreetly through your sunglasses. Yes you are most likely being used for your real estate and booze, but every once in awhile if one of the guys in your group gets lucky, then it's worth it.
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