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DJTeddyBear
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February 22nd, 2011 at 11:09:11 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

No? Then why are you continuing to disrupting it with dis-information about slot machines?

Hmmm....

SFB included slot machines in his response and you didn't call him out on that, did you? Why pick on me?


Quote: discflicker

Does your side bet depend on this exact signalling as a pre-requeste for it implementation?

No.
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February 22nd, 2011 at 11:21:08 AM permalink
I would assume a Hawking-like communication device could be easily modified to count and track cards. There could even be mini video and digital recorders installed in the hardware to "peek" at hole cards, or analyze roulette wheel/ball velocities. It opens some security problems.

No one has mentioned the mentally handicapped. Would a casino "accomodation" be interpreted as "predatory"? I have seen plenty of individuals with diminished mental capacity in casinos (Down's syndrome, brain injuries). I have mixed feelings about it, as I was not certain some of them knew what they were doing, however, it is their money, so who was I to judge. Who decides when an individual is not capable of fairly participating?
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FarFromVegas
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February 22nd, 2011 at 11:42:06 AM permalink
It may end up being mandated by law at some point, so it is worth it to begin investigating the necessary technology and accomodations now. Virginia is now beginning to require lottery retailers to provide access for those with disabilities to their lottery products. I would have thought a retailer would have already had to have this under ADA, but they are making lottery-specific modifications.

Link: Virginia Lottery article
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DJTeddyBear
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February 22nd, 2011 at 11:54:03 AM permalink
Quote: FarFromVegas

It may end up being mandated by law at some point, so it is worth it to begin investigating the necessary technology and accomodations now. Virginia is now beginning to require lottery retailers to provide access for those with disabilities to their lottery products. I would have thought a retailer would have already had to have this under ADA, but they are making lottery-specific modifications.

Link: Virginia Lottery article

I read the article. Unless I missed something, they are NOT making lottery specific modifications. They are merely using the lottery as a pawn in getting the retailers entire establishment to be ADA compliant.

Many retailers may have the opinion that they are not losing much business to handicapped consumers by not being ADA compliant. They may be correct in that assesment. But convenience stores make a ton of money off their lottery business. If they could lose their lottery concession because they're not ADA compliant, they'll get compliant quick.
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FarFromVegas
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February 22nd, 2011 at 12:33:42 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: FarFromVegas

It may end up being mandated by law at some point, so it is worth it to begin investigating the necessary technology and accomodations now. Virginia is now beginning to require lottery retailers to provide access for those with disabilities to their lottery products. I would have thought a retailer would have already had to have this under ADA, but they are making lottery-specific modifications.

Link: Virginia Lottery article

I read the article. Unless I missed something, they are NOT making lottery specific modifications. They are merely using the lottery as a pawn in getting the retailers entire establishment to be ADA compliant.

Many retailers may have the opinion that they are not losing much business to handicapped consumers by not being ADA compliant. They may be correct in that assesment. But convenience stores make a ton of money off their lottery business. If they could lose their lottery concession because they're not ADA compliant, they'll get compliant quick.



I just thought it was odd they were using the lottery to get stores up to code, which is what I meant by lottery-specific. I would have thought it would be more important to have access to milk and bread, but they are going after the lottery. So I figure that even though casino gaming isn't a high priority in most people's lives, the time may be coming when accessibility will be mandated so you may as well start preparing for it.
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discflicker
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February 22nd, 2011 at 1:17:02 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Hmmm....

SFB included slot machines in his response and you didn't call him out on that, did you? Why pick on me?



SFB was answering under the assumption that the topic of this thread was about the rights of handicapped people to play in a casino. You know better.


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No.



No? What do you mean No? It is clearly stated in all of your requirements and is the exact topic of all the threads I have posted about your bet (a shitload of them). It is why I'm bothering to post on this forum at all! No? Please DJ, explain....

Are you gonna say that I called a phase an ABD signal vs. an "Industry accepted signal known as No More Bets"?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
discflicker
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February 22nd, 2011 at 1:20:03 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I would assume a Hawking-like communication device could be easily modified to count and track cards. There could even be mini video and digital recorders installed in the hardware to "peek" at hole cards, or analyze roulette wheel/ball velocities. It opens some security problems.

No one has mentioned the mentally handicapped. Would a casino "accomodation" be interpreted as "predatory"? I have seen plenty of individuals with diminished mental capacity in casinos (Down's syndrome, brain injuries). I have mixed feelings about it, as I was not certain some of them knew what they were doing, however, it is their money, so who was I to judge. Who decides when an individual is not capable of fairly participating?



Unfortunately it is not up to the creators of such interfaces to make those decisions. i don't think its up to the game designers either. I think it's up to the local casino. This is a goood topic for discussion, thanks for mentioning it.
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.
DJTeddyBear
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February 22nd, 2011 at 1:32:50 PM permalink
Quote: discflicker

No? What do you mean No? It is clearly stated in all of your requirements and is the exact topic of all the threads I have posted about your bet (a shitload of them). It is why I'm bothering to post on this forum at all! No? Please DJ, explain....


Maybe I misunderstood the question, but my bet does not require any sort of electronic means of telling the gambler when they can or cannot place the bet. It only needs an electronic means of recognizing that a bet has been made.

My concept DOES include a provision for alerting the gambler and/or dealer when a bet was placed at the wrong time. It can also treat such an action as a bet placed ahead of time, for the NEXT opportunity to place it.
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁 Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. 🤗
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February 22nd, 2011 at 2:27:59 PM permalink
Jerry was the classic dictionary definition of a Troll. Somebody who is inflammatory for no reason, just to get a reaction out of people. They get off on it, they feel powerless in their personal lives and this gives them a feeling of control. What I found extraordinary was MKL's absolute inability to deal with the likes of a Troll like Jerry. MKL took the bait every time Jerry offered it, he seemed incapable of resisting. Very entertaining.
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discflicker
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February 22nd, 2011 at 3:00:07 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Maybe I misunderstood the question, but my bet does not require any sort of electronic means of telling the gambler when they can or cannot place the bet. It only needs an electronic means of recognizing that a bet has been made.

My concept DOES include a provision for alerting the gambler and/or dealer when a bet was placed at the wrong time. It can also treat such an action as a bet placed ahead of time, for the NEXT opportunity to place it.



DJ Teddy Bear

Your wager needs a lot more than what you can possibly describe for me in 2 sentences.

It needs to be fully in synch with the various states the game server might be in, and you need to account for EVERY POSSIBLE COMBINATION of ALL of these situations and the transitions that take place between each of these states:

· Game On-line
· Game Off-Line
· Dealer Logged In
· Dealer Logged Out
· Database Update In-Progress
· Individual Player On-line
· Individual Player Off-Line
· All Bets Down (ABD… its my system I will call my signals by the names I gave them 22 years ago)
· Cancel ABD
· "RollEm"
· Payouts In Progresses
· Payouts Complete

And that is the complete list. Now be honest DJ, please, did you account for all of these situations? Better question, now that you know about these issues, do you STILL think that you don’t need “electronic signaling” for your wager?
The difference between zero and the smallest possible number? It doesn't matter; once you cross that edge, it might as well be the difference between zero and 1. The difference between infinity and reality? They are mutually exclusive.

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