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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:06:05 AM permalink
DF:

According to the ADA, which was passed in 1992, the proprietors have to make reasonable accomodations for the handicapped.

If the casino hasn't changed since 1992, then it will stay in compliance. Becasue it doesn't have to upgrade. If it decides to upgrade, then it needs to make ADA-compliant changes to those areas that it is working on. If you have steps, you need to put in a ramp, or Wider Doors for easier acces, and all the handles in the bathroom. THere are lots of things that are being done already to ease the way for the handicapped.

They do not have to offer reasonable access to all people with all handicaps. A Steven Hawking at the Craps Table? He would have, and most para's have, a normal-abled assistant when they travel outside the home. Either family or paid, as the economic conditions of the handicapped dictate. etc. So, Mr Hawking could calculate the bets and tell his assistant to place the bets as needed, and even throw the dice for him. Same thing at the Wheel or card tables.

The Casino can also offer platforms for use by the handicapped to get to the higher table level. That is reasonable accomadation. Slot Machines can have an adjustment that moves the machine up and down as needed, much like the steering wheel in your car. The wall under the machine can be 24-30" back of the front of the machine instead of 18".

A blind player would need assitance at any table, as they can hear the calls, but they can not place thier bets, once again, either a assistant is with them, or the casino can provide one to help with the bet placement. It can ask that the Blind person stand next to the stick or base. A deaf person may need to understand the bets before coming to the table, a small request that we make of ALL bettors.... Or they have a hearing friend with them that can ASL to them. A Casino may have a interperer on staff, and if notified, may be available to provide assistance.

As for on-line casinos, they do not have a problem. They have a interface already. The Handicapped person has to work out the interface from thier position to the screen. Which, if they are capable of that, EVERYTHING is available on the internet.

BTW, I have a brother in a wheelchair. I KNOW how hard it is to get around. It is better now than it was 30 years ago, it is still difficult.

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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:20:51 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I indicated why nothing should be done to change slot machines, unless the change applies to every slot machine in the casino. I also indicated that changing all the machines is not economical.

I also indicated that lowering table heights for live games not only enables more handicapped / wheelchair bound players to play, but would not cost much, and might actually be preferred by the non-handicapped players. For those reasons, it surprises me that there aren't more short tables than there are.

The "only to a certain point" comment was simply that they should do whatever is economically feasable. Adding more short tables is feasable. Anything beyond that is not.



DJ, ONCE AGAIN, slot machines have absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion, you're only confusing everyone by even mentioning them in the context of the topic of this thread, which by the way is NOT about Jerry Logan, its about industry-wide collaboration to provide handicappped access to live gaming.
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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:26:53 AM permalink
From a selfish point of view, being ambulatory and only slightly myopic and with a smidge of tinnitus, I can say that I could only hope that all casinos were ADA compliant, not just in the letter of the law but in the spirit as well. Trying to walk around some of the casinos with all of the games crammed into a corner is annoying. Every isle should be wide enough for two wheelchairs to pass each other. Craps tables should be lower and have chairs or at least stools, and not just one table, all of them. I find that what's good for people with disabilities is also good for my lazy butt. I still haven't gotten a casino scooter but someday, I may need one and I'll still want to throw the dice.
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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:32:13 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

I also indicated that lowering table heights for live games not only enables more handicapped / wheelchair bound players to play, but would not cost much, and might actually be preferred by the non-handicapped players. For those reasons, it surprises me that there aren't more short tables than there are.



I guess it's becasue the dealer stands at the table. A lower table would require a seated dealer (which suppose dealers woulnd't mind). I would like a lower table anyway.

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The "only to a certain point" comment was simply that they should do whatever is economically feasable. Adding more short tables is feasable. Anything beyond that is not.



Oh, agreed. It would cost too much to make eveyr table and every slot accessible to every handicapped person. Even palces like Disney that accomodate lots of handicapped people have limits to whay they can do in some situations.
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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:34:43 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

DJ, ONCE AGAIN, slot machines have absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion, you're only confusing everyone by even mentioning them in the context of the topic of this thread, which by the way is NOT about Jerry Logan, its about industry-wide collaboration to provide handicappped access to live gaming.

You still don't get it?

OK. See if you can understand this:

It was a comparison!
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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:35:54 AM permalink
SFB

Thanks for that very informative post.

It looks like a lot of people have misunderstood what I'm specifically looking for. This one, however, is NOT the fault of my jibberish ways of expression. This time its due to just a hint of prejudice against the handicap.

The question I posed does NOT demand "equal rights" for the handicapped. It does NOT mandate casinos to install acess methods for the handicapped.

What I am looking for is a concensus that if an industry-wide effort was initiated to make these acess methods available, would it be worthwhile from a strictly MONEY MAKING point of view.


But as soon as a lot of folks hear the words "handicapped access", they immediately assume its a civil matter of human rights, and don't bother with the not-so-fine print.

Thanks for your reply!
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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:40:47 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

From a selfish point of view, being ambulatory and only slightly myopic and with a smidge of tinnitus, I can say that I could only hope that all casinos were ADA compliant, not just in the letter of the law but in the spirit as well. Trying to walk around some of the casinos with all of the games crammed into a corner is annoying. Every isle should be wide enough for two wheelchairs to pass each other. Craps tables should be lower and have chairs or at least stools, and not just one table, all of them. I find that what's good for people with disabilities is also good for my lazy butt. I still haven't gotten a casino scooter but someday, I may need one and I'll still want to throw the dice.



Can you drive the scooter and use the forward velocity to throw the dice without moving the wrist?
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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:58:36 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You still don't get it?

OK. See if you can understand this:

It was a comparison!



No its not a comparison unless you call comparing apples to oranges a comparison. You know what I'm talking about by now, right? Why confuse the issue with meaningless and confusing information?

Here's some questions for yaz, DJ:

If this effort was initiated, even if it were only for the benifit of the handicapped, would it help jump-start the introduction of electronic "PLACE YOUR BETS" signalling into live table games?

Does your side bet depend on this exact signalling as a pre-requeste for it implementation?

For the above two reasons alone, don't you want to see this effort go forward?

Will an un-sucessful discussion here in this thread help get this effort get started?

No? Then why are you continuing to disrupt it with dis-information about slot machines?


Well, at least it still on topic. Thanks DJ, at least for that. And DJ, I do value your opinions.
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February 22nd, 2011 at 11:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

Can you drive the scooter and use the forward velocity to throw the dice without moving the wrist?

No.
Dice cannot be taken beyond the edge of the table, so there wouldn't be enough velocity to get them to hit the far wall - or even to pass the center of the table.
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February 22nd, 2011 at 11:08:50 AM permalink
Quote: discflicker

Can you drive the scooter and use the forward velocity to throw the dice without moving the wrist?

I probably wouldn't get the dice to bounce off of the back wall as required by the rules. But I think the arms would still be working. The knees .. not so much.
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