RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
February 26th, 2019 at 1:58:08 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

As a non VP player, this game would not be for an entry level player.

I am under the impression that math is done to figure out the return using optimal play on specific paytables for specific rules for VP games. Is there a maximum number of bonus games possible and has that been determined for the 30 second bonus round?
Let's say it is 30. If someone can do 30 you make the game a 99% game. What does it become if someone only does 2?



SOOPOO,

The math will be done shortly which will adjust the frequency of the bonus card and multipliers if we include them in this version of the game.

Based on my play, the most hands I've been able to complete in the bonus is 8 hands, while I have averaged closer to 6.

I kind of agree the game may not be for an entry level player, but even an entry level player should be able to play 2 hands within the 30 second bonus, but maybe I'm wrong. We should know more as we get our simulations started and I will post the results.
Gialmere
Gialmere
Joined: Nov 26, 2018
  • Threads: 42
  • Posts: 2377
Thanks for this post from:
RealizeGaming
February 28th, 2019 at 4:53:25 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Well, I definitely get an adrenaline rush off the timer! Lol. That was fun!


Finally got time to play this. BBB speaks for me as well. I'm a slow, methodical player who double checks the play before drawing. Throw that out the window. Sit up, lean forward and... DEAL! DRAW! DEAL! DRAW! DEAL! DRAW! Heh, heh ... big thrill. Bonus points for the "game show" music during the bonus round that increases the intensity.

As I said, you're moving into interesting territory.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
Thanks for this post from:
kgb92MrCasinoGames
March 1st, 2019 at 2:27:24 PM permalink
We are getting closer with the game. We now have the bonus spread out to happen around once every 12 hands and we like how it is playing so far. This should allow us to get the math worked out and allow us to get some multipliers in the bonus game. More updates to come.

Demo Link: http://realizegamingllc.com/dev/lightningPoker/

RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
March 3rd, 2019 at 9:01:49 AM permalink
As we continue to work on the math, I wanted to ask what everyone is getting in terms of the number of hands in the bonus.

I'm usually able to get about 8 hands played per the 30 second bonus, but how is everyone else doing?

My guess is most people are probably right around 5 or 6?
Gialmere
Gialmere
Joined: Nov 26, 2018
  • Threads: 42
  • Posts: 2377
March 3rd, 2019 at 3:38:02 PM permalink
I've gotten up to the 6-7 range and think, with practice, I can make 7-8. Obviously I'm sacrificing perfect play to do this and am just grabbing any pair or high cards I see then drawing.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
March 4th, 2019 at 2:42:14 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

I've gotten up to the 6-7 range and think, with practice, I can make 7-8. Obviously I'm sacrificing perfect play to do this and am just grabbing any pair or high cards I see then drawing.



Gialmere,

I think I'm getting most comfortable right around that 7-8 range, but I've also made mistakes in the bonus round, too. Another thing that helps/hurts is the cards you are dealt and you have to hold....like four to a flush or straight. It takes a bit of time to hold them as the clock ticks down which can take away that one or two extra hands per round.
Gialmere
Gialmere
Joined: Nov 26, 2018
  • Threads: 42
  • Posts: 2377
March 4th, 2019 at 4:01:12 PM permalink
The math would be interesting. Are you better off playing (say) four free hands perfectly, or eight free hands just grabbing at pairs and high cards like dollars in a money booth?

It would be funny getting a Royal during the bonus round. From my play, there was no time to see if I won. I was already clicking "deal" as the draw cards were revealed. To look up, once the dust settled, and see you're somehow 4000 credits ahead (without even getting a picture of the screen) would be hilarious.

Hmm... If you're betting big, what would happen if you got a Royal? Does the bonus round freeze to call an attendant? Not that many would care if the timer expired while awaiting a hand pay.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
Thanks for this post from:
Gialmere
March 4th, 2019 at 5:36:46 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

The math would be interesting. Are you better off playing (say) four free hands perfectly, or eight free hands just grabbing at pairs and high cards like dollars in a money booth?

It would be funny getting a Royal during the bonus round. From my play, there was no time to see if I won. I was already clicking "deal" as the draw cards were revealed. To look up, once the dust settled, and see you're somehow 4000 credits ahead (without even getting a picture of the screen) would be hilarious.

Hmm... If you're betting big, what would happen if you got a Royal? Does the bonus round freeze to call an attendant? Not that many would care if the timer expired while awaiting a hand pay.



I would think it is better to play the hand correctly, but I'm not sure. I think some players will try to get as many free hands as possible hoping to win any amount since it is not requiring them to wager. Their thinking could be, the more hands I play the more I'm gaining because I'm not actually wagering anything in the bonus.

So far, here is some math showing perfect play in the main hand and perfect play in the bonus. As you can see the more hands you see and play perfectly in the bonus, the better the RTP. This is with our current setup of having the lightning card appear approximately 1 out of 12 hands.

RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
Thanks for this post from:
MrCasinoGames
March 5th, 2019 at 4:29:07 PM permalink
We have the math finished for the first build of the game. It is somewhat overwhelming, but I know a number of forum members enjoy looking at the results so if you would like to, you can check out all the details here:
http://realizegamingllc.com/dev/lightningPoker/simulationData.json

Out of 1 billion simulated hand, which took 41 total hours, the Lightning Bonus card appeared in 14% of those hands. When playing the game you should expect to see the bonus about 14 times out of 100 hands which seems to be a good balance for a 5 + 5 wager.

The RTP will vary depending on how many bonus hands are played in the bonus round. Based on an average of 6 hands in the bonus round, the RTP would be:

"roundNumber": 6,
"valueWon": 9888403725,
"count": 67477542,
"balance": -111595275,
"RTP": "98.88"
RealizeGaming
RealizeGaming
Joined: Aug 1, 2013
  • Threads: 60
  • Posts: 593
Thanks for this post from:
MrCasinoGames
March 6th, 2019 at 6:30:01 PM permalink
A huge thank you to all the forum members who helped us with the first build! I posted the final version in the video poker section of the forum in case you want to check it out there. We will be moving on to the next build shortly which will feature multipliers!

Thanks again everyone!

  • Jump to: