dogqck
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July 14th, 2018 at 2:55:52 PM permalink
Electronic Roulette is here to stay as it allows players to split that minimum $5 bet on numbers , colors, etc. Jury still out on Stadium Blackjack. Mostly a tax play in PA. I remember 2008 when Pokertex debuted at Excalibur. Mike Sexton said it was the wave of the future and predicted all Vegas room would have only electronic tables only in the near future.
I read a blurb somewhere about Stadium Blackjack being so popular that Venetian sent 22 of the 44 tables to Pilazzo. I think if games was that popular, Pilazzo would have order 44 for themselves. Plus I believe slots replaced those 22 tables at Venetian.
shrimpboatcapt
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May 4th, 2019 at 11:18:47 AM permalink
RIP Dan. He was always fast to help a fellow inventor.

Been out of the design game for a bit, and got the itch again. I'm working on a new concept that I have created a custom playing deck for, and added (forced) some digital gameplay elements. Are they granting game patents again or is it still the same ol' bs?
MrCasinoGames
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May 7th, 2019 at 9:28:17 AM permalink
Quote: shrimpboatcapt

RIP Dan. He was always fast to help a fellow inventor.

Been out of the design game for a bit, and got the itch again. I'm working on a new concept that I have created a custom playing deck for, and added (forced) some digital gameplay elements. Are they granting game patents again or is it still the same ol' bs?


As far as I know it is still the same.
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RealizeGaming
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May 14th, 2019 at 11:11:08 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I would start out by trademarking the name and doing a provisional patent. The provisional should try to connect it to physical things any way it can, like a computer or gaming machine. Throw every claim you think of in the first application. The patent office will disallow lots of them on the first review. You will probably never get a patent but can fight it through the "pending" stage for years. Still, even with a patent, if the game gets big, there is little to stop anyone from changing the name, adding a side bet, and running with it. You'd pay enormous legal fees to fight it and would probably lose. It has become a game where you want the game to get big enough to make money but not too big to get copied.

My very short advice is I would just stay out of this arena, unless you have special connections to get your games on the floor. If you must invent games, stick to electronic ones.



I also agree with what the Wizard is saying for the most part. We have been able to get a number of patents and even won two appeals over the last couple of years. The only problem with keeping it in the pending stages is that it gets very costly. Even with the pending title, you are still playing with a limited amount of time. You can always refile the game at certain points of the process if you get stuck in the entire process, but once again, it gets very expensive in a hurry.
RealizeGaming
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May 14th, 2019 at 11:12:55 AM permalink
Quote: shrimpboatcapt

RIP Dan. He was always fast to help a fellow inventor.

Been out of the design game for a bit, and got the itch again. I'm working on a new concept that I have created a custom playing deck for, and added (forced) some digital gameplay elements. Are they granting game patents again or is it still the same ol' bs?



If you are changing the standard deck of cards for your game, I like your chances of getting a patent allowed.
Dobrij
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May 14th, 2019 at 12:33:24 PM permalink
Hello!
I donít know, don `t know ... maybe in countries like the United States, Britain, Australia, and it is possible to protect the rights to the game, but in the countries of the former USSR and Europe in my opinion at the moment it is impossible. Games for land and online casinos are copied constantly. It was especially fun to find out when a well-known company patented the game Russian Poker, naming it Lunar Poker.

I, as a game developer, are certainly angry. But on the other hand, it can be good in the modern world. Imagine that there will be a person who will prove that he owns the rights to the game of "roulette", and that all casinos will have to transfer him a percentage of income/GGR?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think itís better for a game developer to pre-negotiate with a casino operator
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May 14th, 2019 at 12:52:26 PM permalink
Sometimes having a patent is worse than not having one. I've seen many a company pretty much go broke defending patents. It sometimes comes down to do you want to sell product or do you want to pay lawyers to stop someone else from selling the product.
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May 14th, 2019 at 2:43:28 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Sometimes having a patent is worse than not having one. I've seen many a company pretty much go broke defending patents. It sometimes comes down to do you want to sell product or do you want to pay lawyers to stop someone else from selling the product.



That is why most patent disputes are resolved without the court system.
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May 14th, 2019 at 3:36:17 PM permalink
I've always heard that was the case. Most companies don't want to get involved in defending patents as it can be very costly for both sides. I found it very curious that a number of companies have reached out to me asking if others have infringed on any of my games. I almost felt as if some of these third party companies want to go against the bigger companies. Has anyone else seen or experienced this?
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May 23rd, 2019 at 10:07:57 AM permalink
High Card Flush: AGS vs Galaxy in court; AGS budgeted $1 M for the legal case and Galaxy won.

Flush Rush by SHFL/SG. Similar concept? No one brought up the case anywhere? If you have over $1M, do it.

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