IGRM
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November 12th, 2013 at 6:39:37 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Good grief. Thats not going to save this. Look at
Alphabet Roulette. There was a dynamite idea,
replace the numbers with letters and spell your
name or cuss words or whatever. It actually got
an install, where it died a very long boring death.

And it was a good idea.



It was a good idea but as a roulette player I wouldn't transition from the number board, I know the wheel and where all the numbers are on the board. This game feels similar but is a completely different and I would guess that it would only appeal to first time players, why else would they make diamond shapes for the colors rather than splitting the bet?
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November 19th, 2013 at 11:39:25 AM permalink
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My brother and I are one of the "independents" that will be debuting our roulette variation, "Riverboat Roulette", at G2E this year. As a result, I'm wanting to gain viable feedback from members of the group because I know you are ones who will view the game with a high level of scrutiny and an analytical eye. As a result, please give me your honest feedback -- all feedback is good!

Riverboat Roulette Rules of Play

1. Riverboat Roulette is a roulette variation that allows players the ability to play traditional roulette while adding to option of making multiple spin wagers on any of the six multi-spin colored sections on the roulette wheel.

2. Players may wager on any of the multi-spin colored sections or on the single-spin white section.

3. Winning colored section bets pay odds on winning wagers.

4. Winning white section bets also pay odds but lose on all other outcomes.

5. Colored section wagers that don't win "push" and only lose when the outcome results in the white section (Called a White Out) -- creating a multiple spin version of roulette.

**Note: Players may leave their pushed wagers in place, take them down, or add to their bets**


House Edge on New Betting Options

White Neighborhood: 5.26% ( Winning Payout of 7:2)
Blue & Orange Neighborhoods: 2.63% (Winning Payout of 7:5)
Purple & Pink Neighborhoods: 4.21% (Winning Payout of 8:5)
Light Blue & Yellow Neighborhoods: 5.26% (Winning Payout of 2:1)

** Mathematical Analysis Conducted by GLI**

Points to Consider

We have several designs that we have developed for the wheel / layout. As a result, the images you see are only one wheel / layout of many. However, we purposely grouped the neighborhoods together to entice players to increase their average bet per spin in their attempt to better predict the outcome of each spin.

Additionally, since three multi-spin neighborhoods exist on each side of the wheel, we feel that some players may view these options as a new type of "dozens" bet. Although we did protect all the various possibilities of neighborhoods (from a 1 spot neighborhood to an 8 spot neighborhood), we deliberately made neighborhoods of 5, 4, and 3 spots on each side, instead of 4 neighborhoods of 3 (which would pay 2:1) or 3 neighborhoods of 4 (Paying 8:5). This way, if they truly want to buy this "dozen" bet, they will have to bet of minimum of $5 on each neighborhood or 3 times the amount of a traditional dozen bet in order to get all their 12 numbers grouped together. However, they will only get paid 2:1 odds on 3 of the 12 numbers.

Next, we also believe that some roulette players may not actually play the multi-spin wagers, but will use the highlighted sections to help them determine numbers that they will bet straight up and in higher amounts.

Security

We also believe that by highlighting the multi-spin, colored, neighborhoods, it will be much easier for casino personnel & security to better determine if sectioning / weak dealing procedures are present and to better identifyi AP roulette players (if you believe in such a thing).

Over-the-Rainbow Bet

Although you don't see it on the version depicted above, we have also developed a side-bet for those players and casinos looking for some trip changing winning wager. This bet is similar to a fire-bet / bonus-craps type wager where a specified number of the colored neighborhoods must be hit before a "White Out".

Tell us what you think!

In closing, I know we already broke one of the Wizard's Commandants about tinkering with roulette (lol), however, I would appreciate any and all feedback on the game and feel free to provide both "positive" and "negative" feedback. After all, we feel that all feedback is good because it may help us consider things we've not thought of or help us refine our approach in offering Riverboat Roulette to casinos and players alike. If you're going to be at G2E this year, stop by and see us at booth #2712!



If you adjust the numbers of each color you could make the pay-outs much simpler for the dealer and for the player. Which may give you better chances of getting an install.
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November 20th, 2013 at 2:12:21 PM permalink
Congratulations, Luck Brothers, on Silver in Raving!
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November 21st, 2013 at 1:42:12 PM permalink
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Congratulations, Luck Brothers, on Silver in Raving!



Thanks Babs!
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July 15th, 2014 at 5:57:10 PM permalink
After seeing Riverboat Roulette at the Golden Gate after McNugget Challenge #3 (July 7, 2014) it was finally time to write a page on it.

Please check out my new page on Riverboat Roulette. As always, I welcome all comments, questions, and especially corrections.

I'm hoping doubleluck will give me some images of the game for the page.

Also, there is a separate thread on the patent. Let's try to keep this thread on the topic of everything about Riverboat Roulette other than the patent. As a matter of practice, I would have preferred the patent announcement to be put in this thread.
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July 15th, 2014 at 7:05:40 PM permalink
Mike -

Nice page, but.....

Quote:

Each number is assigned two colors. For purposes of this explanation, I will call them the "outer colors" and "inner colors."
The outer colors can be red, black, or green in the same numbers are conventional roulette.


As seen in the initial frame of the video on their website, you've got that backwards. The dominant inner color is the standard red/black/green. ...Unless they swapped that on the live version.

You left off the 'resolved edge' on the blue / orange bets.

The pay table has a heading of "number" above the pays. That should be "pays". Also, I think the partial/decimal payouts should be listed as 8:5 and 7:5. Or 8 to 5, 7 to 5.

That's all I noticed on first scan.
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July 15th, 2014 at 7:28:36 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

As seen in the initial frame of the video on their website, you've got that backwards. The dominant inner color is the standard red/black/green. ...Unless they swapped that on the live version.



I think I was going by this image.



Thank you for the other corrections.
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July 16th, 2014 at 9:36:08 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think I was going by this image.



Thank you for the other corrections.

Mike, you're correct. The colors you refer to as "inner colors" are the newer colors and the "outer colors" are the standard ones.

Additionally, there is also a "Rainbow Bet" that is another component of the game. It's similar to a "Fire Bet" in that a player makes a wager that all 6 "inner colors" will hit in 6 consecutive spins. As a result, red, black, green and white are all losers for this wager, AND any "inner color" that repeats also becomes a loser on any SUBSEQUENT spin.

The casino has the option of various payouts and may begin paying out players when as little as 4 or 5 "inner colors" successively hit. However, the top payout is $1000 FOR $1 when a player hits all 6 "inner colors" in 6 consecutive spins.

I will send you the math report from GLI so you have the numbers on this bet, as well.

In closing, this bet wasn't a part of the game when we originally created the video. Lastly, it also doesn't appear on the unit currently in play at the Golden Gate. The DTR was apprehensive about having it on the layout due to him thinking that it may be "too much" for his dealers to initially handle. As a result, we made a concession to remove it in order to get the installation. That same DTR now believes it would be an excellent side bet to have on the layout as it gives the "jackpot" lure that the typical roulette player is seeking. However, he is no longer employed at the Golden Gate and the current management is still taking a wait and see stance.
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July 16th, 2014 at 12:34:51 PM permalink
Time on the floor and continued gathering of data to support good game performance....sometimes all game developers get to do is wait and see as well :-).

Are you still getting performance data out of any UK installations? I can't recall if those trials went live or were still ongoing or what their status is right now. I do recall from Raving that installs somewhere showed meaningful increases in win over standard roulette, hopefully that is continuing. Multiple installs can provide a "smoother" reality of how a game is performing.

Keep her going and here is hoping for good variance for the existing installs.

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