Skill based games coming to Caesar's AC (Oct 2016?)
Danger Arena:
three triple-unit carousels at Caesars, two at Harrah’s Resort and two at Bally’s Wild Wild West.
u can win a max of $5500 on a $25 bet.
$500 from shooting 10 zombies ($50 each), and $5k from bonus.
Note:
still pending New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement approval.
Are you left handed? If so, that explains a lot ;-).Quote: onenickelmiracleWondering if the games will be fair for left handers.
Quote: AxelWolfAre you left handed? If so, that explains a lot ;-).
I'm left handed. What does that explain about me, Axel? (You get one shot.)
No, I am right handed, but have left handed friends and family. Slots can be irritating for them having to reach across their body.Quote: AxelWolfAre you left handed? If so, that explains a lot ;-).
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm left handed. What does that explain about me, Axel? (You get one shot.)
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Just my two cents.
Candy Crush has these elements. I think it could be monetized pretty easily.
Player vs. Player across a network would be easy to arrange because they already have these types of games for racing simulators, or shooters. Four players buy in, first place doubles their money, second gets 50% back, the house keeps 1.5 for their trouble and progressive building.
Now you suspect with skill based games, players will look forward to saying " I lost because I suck " ? I put skill based gaming hype right there with Digital 21 and Poker Tex tables. Great if you have a captive audience or special tax rate. Big IF for skilled based gaming.
Quote: WizardSkill-based games had a big presence at the Global Gaming Expo. I've been wrong before, but I'm still negative about this being the next wave of gambling. Some games are meant for gambling and some aren't. I'm not saying there will never be an Angry Birds slot machine, but if there is, any skill component will be negligible, lest advantage players ruin it for everybody else, making is essentially not skill based.
Just my two cents.
I 100% agree and have been saying this for a few years. I can see a small room or arcade being given a try at a casino. All the games in that area/room will be skill based.
ZCore13
Ahigh's pinball had all those problems solved, and his system could be applied to just about any skill game. I don't think people like Bob actually understood how it worked.Quote: AyecarumbaCould the playing field be leveled by introducing a "handicapping" mechanism? Think bracket drag racing or some variant of a golf handicap. Difficulty could also be adjusted for players seeking higher returns. I don't think skilled players would want to invest a half hour to only win $10, 60% of the time. You could dial up the difficu lty so that a bigger win would be possible, but the game would be set at "super hard", so that even a skilled player would only win 30% of the time (and still need to catch a random variable to win a significant prize.)
Candy Crush has these elements. I think it could be monetized pretty easily.
Player vs. Player across a network would be easy to arrange because they already have these types of games for racing simulators, or shooters. Four players buy in, first place doubles their money, second gets 50% back, the house keeps 1.5 for their trouble and progressive building.
For starters, someone could shoot the ball, walk away and still maintain a 75%+ payback (or whatever they set it at).
A skilled player couldn't beat the house. Their advantage was generated from a player funded bonus pool, I assume if there wasn't a built up bonus pool there would no advantage.
There was good mix of luck and skill. A non skilled player wouldn't even notice the difference, other than their length of playtime per round, and they would only notice after watching a skilled player for some time. From my understanding there was no way A skilled player would or wouldn't know when or if he actually had an advantage(not that someone couldn't figure that out). It would fool the average person who could play pinball ior after some practice into thinking they had an advantage.
Let's hope it takes off like digital 21.Quote: FDEAD3709The millennials were not the first video game junkies. Remember when every big mall had a video arcade. Any skill based on a pinball machine ? That was the baby boomers market. Plus saying you lost because the dealer was hot, the dice were cold, they reset the slots machines on weekends, etc.
Now you suspect with skill based games, players will look forward to saying " I lost because I suck " ? I put skill based gaming hype right there with Digital 21 and Poker Tex tables. Great if you have a captive audience or special tax rate. Big IF for skilled based gaming.
Quote: AxelWolfLet's hope it takes off like digital 21.
I know Digital 21 is in captive markets like ships or indian casinos with no other near by, And about 5 years ago they signed a deal with TCSJohnHuxley about electronic roulette and baccarat, but is Digital 21 anywhere in Vegas or did I miss it on my last trip. People are touting skill based gaming like it's the next penny slots. Yet an ASG recent survey showed baby boomer choices in a casino were 60% slots and 20 percent table games. With millennials is was 50% slots and 25 percent table games
Were I a betting man I would take the under on skill based gaming capturing a large segment of the coming millennial revoltion.
Ever notice the most popular slot machine still has that carnival wheel on top ???
I remember Mike Sexton saying Poker Tek was the wave of the future, especially among low limit games, How did that work out?
Quote: Zcore13I 100% agree and have been saying this for a few years. I can see a small room or arcade being given a try at a casino. All the games in that area/room will be skill based.
ZCore13
I heard rumors that Caesars Palace would be looking to do something like this in Q1 2017. Has anyone found more detailed info on this?
On the side... Tetris sounds like an interesting casino game concept but I'd like to see some actual gameplay video of that. I'm also still waiting to see/hear more about Space Invaders from last year's G2E.
Quote: doughtakerI heard rumors that Caesars Palace would be looking to do something like this in Q1 2017. Has anyone found more detailed info on this?
On the side... Tetris sounds like an interesting casino game concept but I'd like to see some actual gameplay video of that. I'm also still waiting to see/hear more about Space Invaders from last year's G2E.
Tetris and Space invaders was done in the UK SWP market in the 90's
Quote: AxelWolfAhigh's pinball had all those problems solved, and his system could be applied to just about any skill game.
They could be but I still say it won't pull its weight on the casino floor.
If the return is largely dependent on skill, then experts on whatever the game is will push up the curve, causing recreational players to get killed.
If the return is only slightly dependent on skill, then everybody will realize the game itself is just for show, and realize it is cheaper to play it without gambling.
It is like making a chess into a casino game. I like chess and I like blackjack, but not for the same reasons.
I'm not saying there is no future in this, but it isn't tied to gambling as we think of it. I think it should be monetized to the social element.
I actually think they took too long, we should've had skillgaming years ago. But nevermind the skill aspect of it, they should've had slot type videogame gambling long ago. Whatever you killed, shot, kicked or destroyed gave you random amounts.Quote: WizardThey could be but I still say it won't pull its weight on the casino floor.
If the return is largely dependent on skill, then experts on whatever the game is will push up the curve, causing recreational players to get killed.
If the return is only slightly dependent on skill, then everybody will realize the game itself is just for show, and realize it is cheaper to play it without gambling.
It is like making a chess into a casino game. I like chess and I like blackjack, but not for the same reasons.
I'm not saying there is no future in this, but it isn't tied to gambling as we think of it. I think it should be monetized to the social element.
Obviously you can't have a skill game setup where someone can dominate others leaving them with a very low payback. I think a minimum payback with a player funded bonus pool is the way to go. In a case where you have head to head or multi players you have to make some system where even the worst player can get lucky. Perhaps the winner of the match gets more picks at the end on some random prize screen.
Quote: AxelWolfObviously you can't have a skill game setup where someone can dominate others leaving them with a very low payback.
Talk to the fantasy sports folks about that one...
I do/did watch the League however.
Quote: AyecarumbaCould the playing field be leveled by introducing a "handicapping" mechanism? Think bracket drag racing or some variant of a golf handicap. Difficulty could also be adjusted for players seeking higher returns. I don't think skilled players would want to invest a half hour to only win $10, 60% of the time. You could dial up the difficulty so that a bigger win would be possible, but the game would be set at "super hard", so that even a skilled player would only win 30% of the time (and still need to catch a random variable to win a significant prize.)
Candy Crush has these elements. I think it could be monetized pretty easily.
Player vs. Player across a network would be easy to arrange because they already have these types of games for racing simulators, or shooters. Four players buy in, first place doubles their money, second gets 50% back, the house keeps 1.5 for their trouble and progressive building.
I think it would be awesome to have a dave and busters like section in a casino but for money. Not the ticket games but the 4 and 8 player racing, 4 player basketball, and other games like that. Maybe buying for $10 and winner gets $35.00 for 12% HE. Skill could beat the game and piers but never the house.
