gamerfreak
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May 23rd, 2016 at 12:15:38 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Slots are easier to earn TC's, but the mystery as you pointed out leaves too many questions we can't answer. How do we know which one's are 2%? How do we know they're actually set at 2%? How do we know those machines aren't set up to return tier credits at a poor rate? Supposedly it's \$10 for 1 TC in VP and \$5 for 1 TC in slots... but does that include the 2% HE slots? Are those top heavy for super high variance, etc, etc, etc?

I'm referring to the machines that advertise their return. I.E. the "98% payout" signs above the machines. I might have the % wrong, but I have definitely seen something like that in AC. I'm also fairly certain that machine that are below \$5/TC for slots or \$10/TC for VP are marked as such.

Quote: Romes

At the end of the day the variance could kill you on just a couple sessions. I'd rather stick to 8/5 JoB even where I KNOW the TC's, the variance, and my EV for the play. Even if it was \$20 for 1 point on FP, so long as you're playing correctly, that has a POSITIVE expectation, unless you're referring to 9/6 JoB as "full pay," in which case I'd 'probably' agree with you that 9/5, 8/6, or 8/5 would probably be better (haven't done the math yet just my educated guess).

Yah, it seems to be \$20 or \$50 per credit for 9/6 according to this site:
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/caesars-atlantic-city

I need to do some more scouting and experimentation on my next trip.
rdw4potus
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May 23rd, 2016 at 12:21:59 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I'm referring to the machines that advertise their return. I.E. the "98% payout" signs above the machines. I might have the % wrong, but I have definitely seen something like that in AC. I'm also fairly certain that machine that are below \$5/TC for slots or \$10/TC for VP are marked as such.

The machines are marked, but with stickers. Over time, us nervous fidgety gamblers may peel those off...
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AxelWolf
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May 23rd, 2016 at 12:28:57 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

The machines are marked, but with stickers. Over time, us nervous fidgety gamblers may peel those off...

And replace them with triple point stickers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Romes
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May 23rd, 2016 at 12:29:15 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I'm referring to the machines that advertise their return. I.E. the "98% payout" signs above the machines. I might have the % wrong, but I have definitely seen something like that in AC. I'm also fairly certain that machine that are below \$5/TC for slots or \$10/TC for VP are marked as such...

Be careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.

...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
GWAE
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May 23rd, 2016 at 2:50:04 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I've heard of founders card, but I thought you had to own a business to qualify. And I also don't understand how it relates to SWG?

I barely play and CET comps me for pretty much any weekday room in AC. What I'm trying to do is get weekends comp'd. Obviously I need to play more to do this, but so TC/R/levels make any difference with that, or is it all daily theoretical?

I should have typed a better response. I was driving so it was tough. In your op it seemed like you were most interested in getting diamond and thought the credit card would be a pretty worthwhile way of doing it. I mentioned SPG credit card because the rewards are really good and you get enough sign up points to get 6 to 8 free nights if you spend them right. The TR cards sign up bonus and platinum are only valued at probably \$500 and that's being generous. My SPG card is going to net me close to 2k in rewards.

So I suggested getting the better card and if it is diamond that you are after you could spend \$400 which is less than the theo involved in getting to diamond on your own and there is no risk. Of course you won't get the mailers like you would with DIAD but if you do it on VP they won't be that good anyways.

With diamond you will get the annual dinner, show tickets each month and a bunch of other promos. Well worth the \$400 for founders if you can take advantage of the perks.
GWAE
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May 23rd, 2016 at 2:51:39 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Be careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.

...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.

One particular casino still has the signs up and there are no games that are over 99. They removed those machines all together but the sign remains.
gamerfreak
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May 23rd, 2016 at 3:00:48 PM permalink
I was always under the impression that there were strict requirements on those sort of claims. That might just be Nevada though.
tringlomane
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May 23rd, 2016 at 4:09:21 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

I was always under the impression that there were strict requirements on those sort of claims. That might just be Nevada though.

Someone actually has to bother to file an official complaint too.
gamerfreak
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June 6th, 2016 at 9:02:20 AM permalink
There's another caveat to the Diamond Lounges if you buy the status with Founder's card or do DIAD:

"There is a 10 comp dollar (1,000 Reward Credits) per person per admission charge for Diamond cardholders who did not earn a least 25,000 tier credits last year (January 1 through December 31) or have not earned at least 25,000 tier credits since January 1 this year."

That is according to this website:
http://www.sevenstarsinsider.com/caesarsatlanticcity
Romes
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June 6th, 2016 at 11:10:48 AM permalink
gamer, that's only for Atlantic City, in my experiences. Other properties both in and out of Las Vegas do not have a charge like that (at least the places I've been).

Quote: GWAE

Quote: Romes

Be careful with this kind of advertising. At both a Caesars and non-Caesars property I found the "99%" payback VP banks, where NONE OF THE GAMES were even over 97.5% and they claimed "Oh yeah, those machines got moved and we just haven't moved the signs yet." That was almost a year ago and there are still "over 99% payback" signs over the WRONG games.

...One would think this is a good case for false advertising.

One particular casino still has the signs up and there are no games that are over 99. They removed those machines all together but the sign remains.

I believe we might be referring to the same place if I remember your geographical location... If we are, they didn't get pulled, just moved to a difficult spot to find. If we are talking about the same place.... Check the machines literally closest to the poker room ;).
Playing it correctly means you've already won.