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August 4th, 2021 at 10:40:40 AM permalink
No bingo card, nothing that would make it look like a Class II, even though it might as well be one.
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August 4th, 2021 at 10:49:52 AM permalink
Yeah it looks pretty crazy. Thx.
Just for precision's sake 5oak pays 1000 (not 800) and 3oak pays 3 (not 2), I think that changes the resulting strategy as I'm getting some differences on my end.
What about that 149.35 variance (whoa!)?
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August 4th, 2021 at 11:31:50 AM permalink
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Yeah it looks pretty crazy. Thx.
Just for precision's sake 5oak pays 1000 (not 800) and 3oak pays 3 (not 2), I think that changes the resulting strategy as I'm getting some differences on my end.
What about that 149.35 variance (whoa!)?


The actual game's variance is 150.37.
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August 4th, 2021 at 11:35:16 AM permalink
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Yeah it looks pretty crazy. Thx.
Just for precision's sake 5oak pays 1000 (not 800) and 3oak pays 3 (not 2), I think that changes the resulting strategy as I'm getting some differences on my end.
What about that 149.35 variance (whoa!)?

Oh, did I put it in wrong? Sorry, really didn't pay attention to the details on something that I'm fairly certain can't be legitimate.

If this were real, I don't think there would be any variance, at least not any worth mentioning.
If it were on the square and was played with any reasonable strategy, I'm fairly certain you would realize a profit within a very short period of time and never look back.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 4th, 2021 at 6:16:39 PM permalink
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No bingo card, nothing that would make it look like a Class II, even though it might as well be one.



Is it possible that this is only a temporary version of the pay table? Something similar to Shockwave Poker that has a premium pay table for X number of hands after some qualifying event? It made me think of Joker Vault, but the pays don’t match the bonus mode…

FYI, one way to test for Class II machines is to discard a pat hand. If you get the same valued hand on the redraw, then you likely have a Class II. In this case, strategy will get you nowhere… (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)
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August 4th, 2021 at 6:23:48 PM permalink
It sounds like a lottery game to me. maybe New York.
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August 4th, 2021 at 7:13:48 PM permalink
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The actual game's variance is 150.37.



Gary, can you share, at a top level, how you did the calculations? Do you have your own custom program or custom spreadsheets for developing VP strategy and performing EV calculations?
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August 4th, 2021 at 11:27:51 PM permalink
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FYI, one way to test for Class II machines is to discard a pat hand. If you get the same valued hand on the redraw, then you likely have a Class II. In this case, strategy will get you nowhere… (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)



It doesn't behave that way. If you throw away a three of a kind you get nothing on the draw (or whatever happens to come up, but not another three of a kind).
After more than 900 spins my return is around 88% so it is probably rigged, I just don't understand how.
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August 5th, 2021 at 2:33:17 AM permalink
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It doesn't behave that way. If you throw away a three of a kind you get nothing on the draw (or whatever happens to come up, but not another three of a kind).
After more than 900 spins my return is around 88% so it is probably rigged, I just don't understand how.

Assuming you were playing halfway reasonable then that would be enough for me. Your advantage on something like this would be so significant it seems very unlikely you would be getting back a 88% return after 900 hands.
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August 5th, 2021 at 3:34:31 AM permalink
Doesn't mean it is the correct thing to do. But I would play another 500 or 600 hands, and then stop ( if I was not at least square).

Edit:
Hopefully you tested it on the lowest denom. setting?

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