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February 1st, 2020 at 5:33:50 PM permalink
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A number of years ago I was playing video poker at the Ameristar in Black Hawk Colorado. I was on vacation and I guess I looked kind of scruffy. I like to play single coin VP for reasons that have nothing to do with mathematics. I was walking around playing a little in each machine. They have a lot of machines. A younger man saw me and must have thought I was down on my luck. He walked up to me and gave me a $50 ticket. I accepted the ticket and thanked him. As he walked away, I thought what a great person he was. He saw what he thought was an old man playing his monthly pension check and out of the kindness of his heart gave me money. He had no way of knowing who I was or how much money I was carrying. This act told me he cared more about another person than making a profit.




OH PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, go to Colorado casinos and pick up some lost money or vouchers. Please, I am begging you.
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February 1st, 2020 at 6:29:47 PM permalink
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OH PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, go to Colorado casinos and pick up some lost money or vouchers. Please, I am begging you.



The intent of your post is obvious. ..... Serious question..... If I'm sitting at a BJ table and see a $20 on the floor and pick it up and keep it, do you think that anything more than being asked to forfeit it will happen?

Friend did something clearly worse, clearly illegal.... He added a chip to a winning bet. It was a $25 chip. So he was paid $25 more than he should have been. Didn't hide it... Sort of mistakingly doubled but after the hand.... Sensed he did something wrong...... Half hour or so later security asks him to come with them. They told him what he did, noticed he made no more illegal plays, (he is a poppy) , and told him they can arrest him..... unless he gives them $25. He did so, of course, and he was free to go. (This was in Canada).

I don't think security wants to arrest money picker uppers...... unless when confronted they refuse to relinquish the ill gotten gains.
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February 1st, 2020 at 6:45:00 PM permalink
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The intent of your post is obvious. ..... Serious question..... If I'm sitting at a BJ table and see a $20 on the floor and pick it up and keep it, do you think that anything more than being asked to forfeit it will happen?

Friend did something clearly worse, clearly illegal.... He added a chip to a winning bet. It was a $25 chip. So he was paid $25 more than he should have been. Didn't hide it... Sort of mistakingly doubled but after the hand.... Sensed he did something wrong...... Half hour or so later security asks him to come with them. They told him what he did, noticed he made no more illegal plays, (he is a poppy) , and told him they can arrest him..... unless he gives them $25. He did so, of course, and he was free to go. (This was in Canada).

I don't think security wants to arrest money picker uppers...... unless when confronted they refuse to relinquish the ill gotten gains.



They must have been watching him play for a long time I have had security call down to pit managers for a dealer overpaying me and Iíve had to give back money
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February 1st, 2020 at 7:40:40 PM permalink
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The intent of your post is obvious. ..... Serious question..... If I'm sitting at a BJ table and see a $20 on the floor and pick it up and keep it, do you think that anything more than being asked to forfeit it will happen?

Friend did something clearly worse, clearly illegal.... He added a chip to a winning bet. It was a $25 chip. So he was paid $25 more than he should have been. Didn't hide it... Sort of mistakingly doubled but after the hand.... Sensed he did something wrong...... Half hour or so later security asks him to come with them. They told him what he did, noticed he made no more illegal plays, (he is a poppy) , and told him they can arrest him..... unless he gives them $25. He did so, of course, and he was free to go. (This was in Canada).

I don't think security wants to arrest money picker uppers...... unless when confronted they refuse to relinquish the ill gotten gains.



You picked the WRONG state if you try to do that in Colorado. They'll prosecute and fine and bar for anything. They've done it for less than $2.00 in abandoned slot credits that were taken accidentally.

ADDED: Matter of fact, I've already written an article about just this thing, here you go:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/know-the-laws-part-II/
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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February 1st, 2020 at 8:30:04 PM permalink
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The intent of your post is obvious. ..... Serious question..... If I'm sitting at a BJ table and see a $20 on the floor and pick it up and keep it, do you think that anything more than being asked to forfeit it will happen?




First of all, I wasn't trying to be mean. I fully intended to visit SVP on weekends. If he smokes, I'll bring him some cigarettes. And a cake with a hacksaw in it.

SooPoo, as you can see from Mission's subsequent post, Colorado just happens to be going ballistic. So to answer your question, it depends. It depends where you are. My mind is drawing a blank right now but there is another great story about two little old ladies who picked up 5-cents, or something like that. My old brain tells me it was somewhere like Michigan. Maybe Mission knows the story off the top of his head. I have to look it up.

I have a serious question too. Why doesn't SVP think that he is going to be noticed in whatever he does in a casino? He has been playing all of his life, and somehow he doesn't know they've got cameras everywhere, cameras that can see a gnat's navel.

For myself, I read all these casino articles. I know better than to keep a penny I find. I would say that in 2019 there were at least three times I turned in money. Once, there was a $5 bill, I put my foot on it and told the drink girl to go get Security. Another time, a $40 voucher was sticking out of a machine all by itself, saying "take me, take me". And I did take it. Straight to Security. And then, just recently, a folded up $100 bill was behind some players, I picked it up and called a nearby slot tech and they got it to Security. I don't mess around.

Now, on the other hand, a few years ago I found a hundred in the parking lot, at night. ALL MINE, BABY!
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February 1st, 2020 at 8:33:32 PM permalink
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I have had security call down to pit managers for a dealer overpaying me and Iíve had to give back money




There's a preferential problem with this. Do the same guys call the pit when a dealer UNDERpayed you?

I suspect this is a one-way street.
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February 1st, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM permalink
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There's a preferential problem with this. Do the same guys call the pit when a dealer UNDERpayed you?

I suspect this is a one-way street.




I have a short story from a few months ago. At a small casino, I play frequently, and am very friendly with everyone, including management. I don't look at the player-casino relationship as adversarial. Not this place anyway.

So I'm playing a table game, and there was some confusion, probably because me and the friendly dealer were talking it up. Suddenly, he lost track and thought maybe he did not pay me for a $50 wager. I thought for a second and said, "No, I'm pretty sure you paid me." He said, "No, I don't think so". And I said, "Yes, I think so." lol This is crazy. So we called the floorman over, who is a great guy, and we explained what happened. So we all agreed to set $50 on the side and have them check the cameras. It was a long wait. Finally, after what seemed like forever, the floorman came back, picked up the two green chips and tossed them to me. That's a true story.
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February 1st, 2020 at 9:50:47 PM permalink
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First of all, I wasn't trying to be mean. I fully intended to visit SVP on weekends. If he smokes, I'll bring him some cigarettes. And a cake with a hacksaw in it.

SooPoo, as you can see from Mission's subsequent post, Colorado just happens to be going ballistic. So to answer your question, it depends. It depends where you are. My mind is drawing a blank right now but there is another great story about two little old ladies who picked up 5-cents, or something like that. My old brain tells me it was somewhere like Michigan. Maybe Mission knows the story off the top of his head. I have to look it up.

I have a serious question too. Why doesn't SVP think that he is going to be noticed in whatever he does in a casino? He has been playing all of his life, and somehow he doesn't know they've got cameras everywhere, cameras that can see a gnat's navel.

For myself, I read all these casino articles. I know better than to keep a penny I find. I would say that in 2019 there were at least three times I turned in money. Once, there was a $5 bill, I put my foot on it and told the drink girl to go get Security. Another time, a $40 voucher was sticking out of a machine all by itself, saying "take me, take me". And I did take it. Straight to Security. And then, just recently, a folded up $100 bill was behind some players, I picked it up and called a nearby slot tech and they got it to Security. I don't mess around.

Now, on the other hand, a few years ago I found a hundred in the parking lot, at night. ALL MINE, BABY!



Bobbartop

The nickel old lady story is discussed by Nersessian in his book.

I believe it was motor City in Chicago. It was one old lady who took a nickel from a slot. She was backroomed, forced to return the nickel and trespassed.

Additionally she was told she could not even wait for her return bus because the Pu was on casino property. The 70+ old lady had to walk quite a distance until she found some store that called a relative to pick her up (this is before cell phones were common)

The jury was horrified at the civil suit. She received $750,000.

Quite an expensive nickel
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February 1st, 2020 at 10:05:03 PM permalink
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Bobbartop

The nickel old lady story is discussed by Nersessian in his book.

I believe it was motor City in Chicago. It was one old lady who took a nickel from a slot. She was backroomed, forced to return the nickel and trespassed.

Additionally she was told she could not even wait for her return bus because the Pu was on casino property. The 70+ old lady had to walk quite a distance until she found some store that called a relative to pick her up (this is before cell phones were common)

The jury was horrified at the civil suit. She received $750,000.

Quite an expensive nickel




Thanks, Dark Oz, that sounds like the one. But Chicago does not ring a bell. I still think it was Michigan, but I have been wrong before. Seriously, I have been wrong before, maybe once or twice. I've got to look this up. Also, the story I'm thinking about had TWO little old ladies in it. Be patient with me, I'm on meds.
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February 1st, 2020 at 11:15:07 PM permalink
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Thanks, Dark Oz, that sounds like the one. But Chicago does not ring a bell. I still think it was Michigan, but I have been wrong before. Seriously, I have been wrong before, maybe once or twice. I've got to look this up. Also, the story I'm thinking about had TWO little old ladies in it. Be patient with me, I'm on meds.



Sorry, you are correct. Detroit Michigan

https://www.lawcrossing.com/article/1761/Just-For-a-Nickel-Token/
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