EVBandit
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:04:56 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Variance: Playing triple-play would have less variance than playing single-handed at \$3.75/hand

Dude, you really think to rethink that comment.

Suppose I play 3-lines or triple play at \$3.75 a spin (e.g. \$1.25 a line).

Now compare that to playing 3 single line machines at the same time with each line being \$1.25, respectively.

If you understand what I am saying, we are controlling for the same game and same wager amount.

It is a KNOWN FACT THAT N-PLAY has HIGHER VARIANCE when controlling for the same number of lines & wager amount respectively.

And how is 3 lines of \$1.25 playing at the same time DIFFERENT from 1 line of \$3.75.

I have a multi-line patent on video poker that SPECIFICALLY addresses the issue that you raised.
Mission146
Joined: May 15, 2012
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:12:39 AM permalink
Quote: EVBandit

Dude, you really think to rethink that comment.

Suppose I play 3-lines or triple play at \$3.75 a spin (e.g. \$1.25 a line).

Now compare that to playing 3 single line machines at the same time with each line being \$1.25, respectively.

If you understand what I am saying, we are controlling for the same game and same wager amount.

It is a KNOWN FACT THAT N-PLAY has HIGHER VARIANCE when controlling for the same number of lines & wager amount respectively.

And how is 3 lines of \$1.25 playing at the same time DIFFERENT from 1 line of \$3.75.

I have a multi-line patent on video poker that SPECIFICALLY addresses the issue that you raised.

You mistook my meaning. I meant more like if there were such a thing as a \$0.75/denom machine (Max bet \$3.75) then triple play at \$1.25/hand would have less variance.
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rsactuary
Joined: Sep 6, 2014
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:13:30 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

I play according to the computer software I bought from Bob Dancer. I can't change the odds, but I can play as accurately as possible. I also play as small as possible.

Do you adjust the payout for the royal in the software to coincide with the payout on the machine?
SingleCoinVP
Joined: Aug 31, 2019
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:22:18 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

Do you adjust the payout for the royal in the software to coincide with the payout on the machine?

Yes. We frequently travel around the country on video poker vacations. I carry a laptop loaded with VPW software with me in my room in case I encounter a pay schedule I haven't seen. I always adjust my play according to the software. Video poker frequently has the lowest house edge of any casino game. If you are going to go into a casino, you might as well take advantage of that.

Most of today's video poker games are negative. If you are going to play them, the strategy changes from making a profit to controlling the cost. The casino is willing to give you all kinds of stuff to get you to play. If you don't control the cost, you will overpay for their "free" stuff.
unJon
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:28:43 AM permalink
I don’t follow what the “dealt hand effect” for multi line VP is. Can someone elaborate?
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EVBandit
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:43:14 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

You mistook my meaning. I meant more like if there were such a thing as a \$0.75/denom machine (Max bet \$3.75) then triple play at \$1.25/hand would have less variance.

Let’s not play games. Here is your entire 1st paragraph:

“Variance: Playing triple-play would have less variance than playing single-handed at \$3.75/hand. The same number of deals would have more variance than playing single-handed at \$1.25/hand.”

I stand by what I wrote earlier. And no, I did not take things out of context.
rsactuary
Joined: Sep 6, 2014
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January 15th, 2020 at 6:51:53 AM permalink
Quote: SingleCoinVP

Yes. We frequently travel around the country on video poker vacations. I carry a laptop loaded with VPW software with me in my room in case I encounter a pay schedule I haven't seen. I always adjust my play according to the software. Video poker frequently has the lowest house edge of any casino game. If you are going to go into a casino, you might as well take advantage of that.

Most of today's video poker games are negative. If you are going to play them, the strategy changes from making a profit to controlling the cost. The casino is willing to give you all kinds of stuff to get you to play. If you don't control the cost, you will overpay for their "free" stuff.

Let me try and ask a different way... when you play on the software, do you bet 1 coin per hand or 5 coins per hand?
Mission146
Joined: May 15, 2012
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January 15th, 2020 at 7:04:00 AM permalink
Quote: EVBandit

Let’s not play games. Here is your entire 1st paragraph:

“Variance: Playing triple-play would have less variance than playing single-handed at \$3.75/hand. The same number of deals would have more variance than playing single-handed at \$1.25/hand.”

I stand by what I wrote earlier. And no, I did not take things out of context.

The second part of what I said was wrong. The first part is what I clarified for. I don’t know what the heck I was trying to mean in the second part, but it’s definitely a wrong statement.

What do you think I meant by \$3.75/hand single handed?
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SingleCoinVP
Joined: Aug 31, 2019
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January 15th, 2020 at 8:16:56 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

Let me try and ask a different way... when you play on the software, do you bet 1 coin per hand or 5 coins per hand?

That depends upon the pay schedule and the requirements of the comps you may wish to earn. It is common to find single coin dollar games with better odds than max coin quarter games. Play strategy changes when you play single coin VP. When playing 97% games, the greater your coin-in the more you lose long term.
100xOdds
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January 15th, 2020 at 9:08:38 AM permalink
Let's say you need \$30k coin in to make it to the next tier level and have these 97% payables as your best options:

1) .25 6/5 bp (96.9%) triple play, var is 20
2) \$1 single line 9/12 dw (97.1%), var is 25

I would sacrifice the .2% HE and go for the triple play to lessen the variance.
Bp by it's nature is lower var than dw to begin with.
Adding triple play *and* betting less per spin lowers the var even more compared to \$1 dw
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