Bonus VP Strategy Mistake/Typo?

Tell me if you see what I (don’t) see here.


This is the hand I was just dealt...






This is what I see when I look up which straight flush category my hand falls into...






I’m stuck. What do I do?

Quote: HotBlonde

Tell me if you see what I (don’t) see here.


This is the hand I was just dealt...






This is what I see when I look up which straight flush category my hand falls into...






I’m stuck. What do I do?

The bigger question is..... why are you playing 10 coins?

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: HotBlonde

Tell me if you see what I (don’t) see here.


This is the hand I was just dealt...






This is what I see when I look up which straight flush category my hand falls into...






I’m stuck. What do I do?

The bigger question is..... why are you playing 10 coins?

Because she's playing Ultimate x and using the wrong strategy for it. Im guessing it's probably QJT8 in UX (edit: wrong)...lol

In normal Bonus poker, this would be type 1 because you have 2 high cards and 2 gaps. Mike probably should fix that.

But as I wrote above, you're playing Ulitimate X HotBlonde, so that might not be the best hold since a straight gives to an 8X multiplier next hand.

Here is was the basic Ultimate X strategy for Bonus Poker looks like:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/ultimate-x/bonus-poker/

But even looking at that list, QJ8 suited still looks to be better.

You've got 4 to an inside straight; also have 3 to a straight flush (type not listed). I'd say your chart is incomplete. You have a better chance of completing the straight.

Quote: AxelWolf

The bigger question is..... why are you playing 10 coins?

I know... I know... I don’t EVER play 10 coins on the UX machine.
HOWEVER (and I was going to write a separate forum post about this)...
The Cosmopolitan, where I played this particular hand, is the ONLY casino I’ve encountered (so far) that has a way of locking most of their UX machines now to where the only bet you are allowed to make is MAX BET. Yep, you read that right. They found a way to stave advantage players.

So, staying in a room here this weekend, I was super bummed cause all except 3 of their machines are locked that way now. I encountered this screen, though, that had many multipliers of different amounts left behind on most of the 10 “Next Hands” so although I wasn’t sure how to do the exact math on it I played that one hand max bet.

P.S. Can the Gaming board have an issue with the Cosmo doing this and not allowing any other options on those machines they fixed to make the patron bet max only?

Quote: HotBlonde

I know... I know... I don’t EVER play 10 coins on the UX machine.
HOWEVER (and I was going to write a separate forum post about this)...
The Cosmopolitan, where I played this particular hand, is the ONLY casino I’ve encountered (so far) that has a way of locking most of their UX machines now to where the only bet you are allowed to make is MAX BET. Yep, you read that right. They found a way to stave advantage players.

So, staying in a room here this weekend, I was super bummed cause all except 3 of their machines are locked that way now. I encountered this screen, though, that had many multipliers of different amounts left behind on most of the 10 “Next Hands” so although I wasn’t sure how to do the exact math on it I played that one hand max bet.

P.S. Can the Gaming board have an issue with the Cosmo doing this and not allowing any other options on those machines they fixed to make the patron bet max only?

I see.
This doesn't solve their problem. Are you noticing if most of the competition is now gone because of this? Are you finding more multipliers left behind?

Quote: AxelWolf

I see.
This doesn't solve their problem. Are you noticing if most of the competition is now gone because of this? Are you finding more multipliers left behind?

No more multipliers left behind than normal. And I’m guessing it’s really to detract the scroungy smelly vultures that don’t fit with the vibe of their casino. They also added signs on slot machines that can be advantage played that warn the regular customers about advantage players. I’ll take a pic and follow up and add it to this post momentarily.

Quote: HotBlonde

No more multipliers left behind than normal. And I’m guessing it’s really to detract the scroungy smelly vultures that don’t fit with the vibe of their casino. They also added signs on slot machines that can be advantage played that warn the regular customers about advantage players. I’ll take a pic and follow up and add it to this post momentarily.

Interesting, I had not heard about this. I'm all in favor of getting rid of the Riff Raff out of casinos.

Quote: HotBlonde

P.S. Can the Gaming board have an issue with the Cosmo doing this and not allowing any other options on those machines they fixed to make the patron bet max only?

No. Minimum bet requirements are well within casino rights. I'm just glad most casinos don't exercise this option on UX. Also IGT forces a 10 credit bet on all the spin off games. You should have played a standard multiline game, or something like Super Times Pay, if you really didn't want to bet 10.

Quote: AxelWolf

Interesting, I had not heard about this. I'm all in favor of getting rid of the Riff Raff out of casinos.

You should see the casinos in the Miami area.

Quote: tringlomane

In normal Bonus poker, this would be type 1 because you have 2 high cards and 2 gaps. Mike probably should fix that.

Still not sure cause he hasn’t fixed it.

Quote: tringlomane

In normal Bonus poker, this would be type 1 because you have 2 high cards and 2 gaps. Mike probably should fix that.

Can you explain what I am supposed to fix? Here are a couple links, which may help:

8-5 Bonus Poker strategy
9-6 Jacks intermediate strategy

Quote: Wizard

Can you explain what I am supposed to fix? Here are a couple links, which may help:

8-5 Bonus Poker strategy
9-6 Jacks intermediate strategy

Hi Mike.

If you look at the picture of the hand I was dealt and then you look at your straight flush definitions, you see you don’t have a straight flush draw with one or more high cards with 2 gaps listed. So I never know whether to treat that hand as A) a straight flush type 1, B) two suited high cards, or C) a straight flush type 2 or 3, etc.

Thanks. I just edited that page to remove reference to any "type 5" three to a straight flush draws. There are now just four types. I hope this helps. I welcome further correction.

Straight Flush draw (type 1) = Straight flush draw where high cards minus gaps >= 1 .
Straight Flush draw (type 2) = Straight flush draw where high cards minus gaps = 0 .
Straight Flush draw (type 3) = Straight flush draw where high cards minus gaps = -1 & all ace-low draws.
Straight Flush draw (type 4) = Straight flush draw with two gaps and no high cards & includes 234 suited.

to Hot Blonde:

The Wiz's strategies do not apply to Ultimate X, which is what is in your picture, unless specifically stating so.

I actually just got dealt pretty much the same hand, QJ8 suited. I still feel funny throwing the 8 away, but you still have 2 suited high cards listed higher than 3 to a straight flush (type 2). Is that still correct?

Hi Mike. Thank you so much for modifying the strategy. And actually, even after you modified it, it still shows the correct strategy you suggest the same in regards to my original question. So holding the QJ suited alone is a better play than holding QJ8 suited? And just disregard the fact that I was playing UX in that example. I usually never play 10 coins UX. I usually just play regular 8/5 Bonus Poker or if I play UX I only play the multipliers left behind from someone else.