darkoz
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November 7th, 2019 at 4:49:13 AM permalink
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I disagree. Casinos provide entertainment. They are no different than golf courses, bowling alleys and movie theaters. They give people an escape and a place to spend quality time with others. All the negative consequences that come out of casinos are a result of players believing the casino is there to make them a profit. That is what the casino wants you to believe and why they spend millions of dollars to market the idea.

The casino is a business. Bob Dancer is a business. This website is a business. If they all didn't make a profit, they wouldn't exist. There is no one forcing anyone to overpay for casino entertainment. You choose the amount of your wagers and the time to invest. If you don't get your money's worth, it's not the fault of anyone else.



A comparison of businesses:

DISNEYLAND:

Come to the happiest place on Earth! Fun all day long!

Host: "Sir, were you happy today?"
Patron: "Yes, I was. I was happy every day for the last 12 days of my trip"
Host: "Fantastic! Glad to have delivered on our promise. Please come back. We would love to have you."

CASINOS:

Come to the Winners circle! Winners all day long!

Host: "Sir, did you win today"
Patron: "Yes, I did. I won every day for the last 12 days of my trip."
Host: "SECURITY, SECURITY. Sir, I am going to have to ask you to leave. I am also rescinding all offers we generously made you including ones you clearly earned with your hard earned cash. Security, escort this person down to the basement level and a secure room where we can violate his civil rights"
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SingleCoinVP
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November 7th, 2019 at 5:23:17 AM permalink
A one day base price ticket to Disney World is $116.09-$169.34 per person plus food, drinks and whatever else you wish to purchase. One night at the Contemporary Resort in Disney World is $860 a night. What are the odds they will pay you? Zero.
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November 7th, 2019 at 5:33:04 AM permalink
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A one day base price ticket to Disney World is $116.09-$169.34 per person plus food, drinks and whatever else you wish to purchase. One night at the Contemporary Resort in Disney World is $860 a night. What are the odds they will pay you? Zero.



thats not the point.

the point is untruthful advertising.

Disney offers a happy place. when you are actually happy they welcome you back.

Casinos offer a place to win money. when you actually win money they DO NOT welcome you back

(casinos never advertise they are where you will LOSE money, regardless of whether you feel consumers should know better)
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November 7th, 2019 at 5:45:12 AM permalink
The most I ever won in a casino in one day was $14,000. I have never been banned from a casino. I am not a long term winner, so there decision was a good one. I have always wondered how an AP keeps this from happening? Do they wear a disguise? How do they keep finding casinos that will pay them to play?
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November 7th, 2019 at 5:45:33 AM permalink
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thats not the point.

the point is untruthful advertising.

Disney offers a happy place. when you are actually happy they welcome you back.

Casinos offer a place to win money. when you actually win money they DO NOT welcome you back

(casinos never advertise they are where you will LOSE money, regardless of whether you feel consumers should know better)



OF COURSE THEY WELCOME YOU BACK! Just not for free! I know this may shock you, but they have hotel rooms that PEOPLE PAY TO STAY IN! They may not give you free play! Any consumer that doesn't understand that they may lose money in a casino deserves no sympathy. Any consumer that doesn't understand that a casino (or movie theater, or restaurant, or department store, or gambling website) has as it's objective to make a profit I have no sympathy for.

You think McDonalds should only have obese people on their advertisements?
You think Toyota should show Prius crash victims compared to HumVee crash victims?
How about our state lottery advertisements?
darkoz
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November 7th, 2019 at 6:03:45 AM permalink
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The most I ever won in a casino in one day was $14,000. I have never been banned from a casino. I am not a long term winner, so there decision was a good one. I have always wondered how an AP keeps this from happening? Do they wear a disguise? How do they keep finding casinos that will pay them to play?



in some ways its easier than you think
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November 7th, 2019 at 6:07:52 AM permalink
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OF COURSE THEY WELCOME YOU BACK! Just not for free! I know this may shock you, but they have hotel rooms that PEOPLE PAY TO STAY IN! They may not give you free play! Any consumer that doesn't understand that they may lose money in a casino deserves no sympathy. Any consumer that doesn't understand that a casino (or movie theater, or restaurant, or department store, or gambling website) has as it's objective to make a profit I have no sympathy for.

You think McDonalds should only have obese people on their advertisements?
You think Toyota should show Prius crash victims compared to HumVee crash victims?
How about our state lottery advertisements?



a better example would be drug companies that advertise how their medications will make you feel better.

Note they are required to give a long speech about the risks.
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November 7th, 2019 at 6:48:44 AM permalink
Disney will soon offer the Land Of Hard Knocks.

Casinos offer opportunities mainly to average players. Some showmen are resting in real laurels and some are resting on imaginary ones. The seminars/shows have to be entertaining rather than precisely truthful.

Some seminars/shows are more nostalgia and wishful thinking than others.
SingleCoinVP
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November 7th, 2019 at 11:42:38 AM permalink
In the Southeast, it's tough to find any VP game with less than a 1% house edge these days. The best single line game we have is 98.9% Deuces Wild or 7/5 Bonus Poker. Most of those games start at $5 a coin. Comps are in house credit only. This makes the game more about limiting losses than long term wins. It wasn't always this way. Before Katrina and the financial crisis, things were different.

I'm not complaining. My wife and I manage to play the game without serious financial damage. Playing mostly quarter VP we get comped rooms at any Florida casino, Biloxi and Cherokee. Our points pay for drinks and food as long as we eat modestly. I won $800 from a drawing last month. Last week we played in Murphy NC. In the last 10 minutes, I switched to dollar DW and hit a $1,000 quad deuce. I know this seems trivial to some of you. It works for us.

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