TomG
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June 13th, 2016 at 4:11:22 PM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

I was under the impression card pulling was a thing of the past. That modern machines would credit the outcome of a spin / hand to a players account even if the card is pulled while the spin / hand is still in progress.



I understand that to be correct. But remember to consider machines where you would pull it out in between hands. Play Ultimate X until you get a screen full of multipliers. Then take your card out and play. Then put your card back in when there are few or no multipliers. If you do that, you can get tracked as having major losses without really losing that much.

It would work very well with Dotty's system of awarding free-play or to generate better looking profit-loss statements.
monet0412
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June 13th, 2016 at 4:37:38 PM permalink
I was next to this card puller the other day in a local casino. He was playing some 1.2% losing game and playing ten play quarters pulling the card almost every other flop. I said I know that your getting good mailers from this place and so am I but any chance you can cool it a bit before they throw you out and throw me out as well just because I'm sitting next to you. I mean I don't mind a card pull here and there when I flop big hands or big draws but almost every hand is pushing it these days since most places have caught on :0) !

I can see his argument though... if they don't like it they can change the system or screw! Funny how most players think that the Casino can't throw them out for any reason they like.
billryan
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June 13th, 2016 at 5:53:16 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

I can't answer for Bob, only speculate. I think as he kind of said earlier it's fuel to the fire. Some places are perhaps okay with him playing, while some shift managers in particular don't like the decision handed down from above and perhaps they're looking for a reason... So something like card pulling, vulturing, and other things he call "taking a shot" would be essentially giving them a reason for interaction, which he wants to avoid. Again, just my opinion.

As mentioned above I've been approached by hosts without playing a game so I know after I swipe in for the day the camera has followed me to tell them where I am. So in that case while you're being watched it might ruin your "ploppy" status to start vulturing/card pulling/etc while on camera.



I've been told that it doesn't hurt to exit and enter casinos a few times a day. The thought being if you attract attention and they try backtracking you, they'll stop when they first see you enter. They won't suspect you've "entered" several times before.
AxelWolf
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June 14th, 2016 at 5:18:09 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Not true. Unless in AC counting.

I have a feeling Romes is talking about VP/Slots not BJ. As this thread is about VP.

The EV comes from using the card period.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ibeatyouraces
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June 14th, 2016 at 8:40:31 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I have a feeling Romes is talking about VP/Slots not BJ. As this thread is about VP.

The EV comes from using the card period.


In that case yes, and I did think about editing my reply. Tables are different. Take the Harrahs Philly bj promo. I would NOT use a card playing it.
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100xOdds
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June 14th, 2016 at 10:40:28 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

In that case yes, and I did think about editing my reply. Tables are different. Take the Harrahs Philly bj promo. I would NOT use a card playing it.


the harrahs bj promo is by invitation only.
i'm assuming you have to get swiped in w/your rewards card to get a seat?
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 14th, 2016 at 10:49:56 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

the harrahs bj promo is by invitation only.
i'm assuming you have to get swiped in w/your rewards card to get a seat?


It doesn't say that on the website. I linked the promo details in that thread, page one.
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Wizardofnothing
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June 14th, 2016 at 11:20:25 AM permalink
Wouldn't matter if you used a card/ I'm sure you have to show id on the bonus payoffs and they would log you in
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Ibeatyouraces
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June 14th, 2016 at 11:31:11 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Wouldn't matter if you used a card/ I'm sure you have to show id on the bonus payoffs and they would log you in


Why would they need that? Pay it and move onto the next hand. Its not some jackpot or anything.
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Wizardofnothing
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June 14th, 2016 at 11:44:17 AM permalink
I'm not 100 percent sure but even on High hand for 50 dollars in their poker room they take your name
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