AlanMendelson
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April 24th, 2013 at 8:15:22 PM permalink
In another thread this blog entry was posted.

http://qlbrodie.blogspot.com/search/label/-favorites-

It doesn't matter who the celebrity was -- nor does it matter that he hit big royals. What matters is that in the blog he wrote:

"...they found something they didn’t like and told me they were going to have to shut it down and change the chip. Apparently it had been set looser than they had intended. They were going to tighten it up, which would take them about an hour."

Since when can a casino just change out a chip and tighten up a video poker machine without rigging the machine?
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April 24th, 2013 at 8:36:54 PM permalink
The way I heard it was that the casino had put in full pay deuces wild ,once they realized it ,they shut the machine down and changed it to a nsud game.They don`t have to change the chip for that ,I think they can just go into the internal controls and change it.

I f I remember correctly they also told him they didn`t want his play anymore,then he blogged about it and because of the bad publicity,the casino did an about face and let him play.
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April 24th, 2013 at 8:41:12 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

In another thread this blog entry was posted.

http://qlbrodie.blogspot.com/search/label/-favorites-

It doesn't matter who the celebrity was -- nor does it matter that he hit big royals. What matters is that in the blog he wrote:

"...they found something they didn’t like and told me they were going to have to shut it down and change the chip. Apparently it had been set looser than they had intended. They were going to tighten it up, which would take them about an hour."

Since when can a casino just change out a chip and tighten up a video poker machine without rigging the machine?



By changing the pay table.
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April 24th, 2013 at 8:53:33 PM permalink
On IGT machines, which that one was, it does require a special chip to change the pay table. All of the pay tables are contained on the main chip, the special "set" chip is required when configuring certain parameters on the machine.
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April 24th, 2013 at 9:41:05 PM permalink
My understanding is that to change the "chip" someone from the Gaming Commission has to be there to witness it. Is that not true??

Yes, pay tables can be changed, but the blog comment was about changing the chip.
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April 24th, 2013 at 9:52:41 PM permalink
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April 24th, 2013 at 10:06:13 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

My understanding is that to change the "chip" someone from the Gaming Commission has to be there to witness it. Is that not true??

Yes, pay tables can be changed, but the blog comment was about changing the chip.



In Nevada no one has to witness it. I have changed pay tables on many machines on the casino floor.
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April 24th, 2013 at 10:37:13 PM permalink
all those blogs are one hundred percent true, I used to be friend with Richard, he plays super high video poker for faster and more money then ive ever seen anyone play
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April 24th, 2013 at 10:57:09 PM permalink
Not to veer off-topic too much, but did they ever go to a remote system anywhere? Change tables from a control room under certain limited parameters.. Are there even machines out there that already have that capability?
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April 24th, 2013 at 11:26:37 PM permalink
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April 25th, 2013 at 9:19:21 AM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

all those blogs are one hundred percent true, I used to be friend with Richard, he plays super high video poker for faster and more money then ive ever seen anyone play

I sat next to a guy playing $10 5-play in the high limit room at Horseshoe Hammond. That's the biggest I've ever seen anybody play. $250 a spin, almost the same as Brodie's $300. He was getting a handpay about every five minutes.
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April 25th, 2013 at 9:51:01 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

I sat next to a guy playing $10 5-play in the high limit room at Horseshoe Hammond. That's the biggest I've ever seen anybody play. $250 a spin, almost the same as Brodie's $300. He was getting a handpay about every five minutes.


I watched someone at Harrah's Tahoe recently..he was playing $1 50-play TDB ($250 a shot) and he had a "tech" with him, because every few hands, it would JACKPOT
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April 25th, 2013 at 2:04:46 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

I sat next to a guy playing $10 5-play in the high limit room at Horseshoe Hammond. That's the biggest I've ever seen anybody play. $250 a spin, almost the same as Brodie's $300. He was getting a handpay about every five minutes.



The most I have seen is a guy playing 25 out of 50 hands on the dollar 50-play there. In about thirty minutes, he only had one hand pay for $1600 and likely down after that hit I think. I was on the other unit playing 1 single credit at 99.96% deuces since it beats all quarter machines there by short playing (98.73%) to get 25 Tier for a free buffet in a reasonable amount of time (30 minute minimum gaming requirement) without incurring too much swing.
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April 25th, 2013 at 2:23:59 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I was on the other unit playing 1 single credit at 99.96% deuces since it beats all quarter machines there by short playing (98.73%) to get 25 Tier for a free buffet in a reasonable amount of time (30 minute minimum gaming requirement) without incurring too much swing.

Heh, props. Sounds like something I would do :) I play the 9/6 Jacks at Horseshoe Cleveland for $1 to earn free parking. You know you can play baccarat in the Asian room for 30 minutes and get a comp to the noodle bar, too? So good; just avoid the smoke.
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April 25th, 2013 at 3:09:36 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Not to veer off-topic too much, but did they ever go to a remote system anywhere? Change tables from a control room under certain limited parameters.. Are there even machines out there that already have that capability?



Aria installed a centralized system. Paytables can be adjusted from a central location without opening the machine, but the regulations require the machine to be out of play for a minimum number of minutes before the change can be performed.
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April 25th, 2013 at 3:41:31 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Aria installed a centralized system. Paytables can be adjusted from a central location without opening the machine, but the regulations require the machine to be out of play for a minimum number of minutes before the change can be performed.



Four minutes to be exact. Missouri also has this regulation on the books.
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April 25th, 2013 at 5:21:51 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Four minutes to be exact. Missouri also has this regulation on the books.



So, one restroom break, and that "loose" slot machine is just is not playing the same. Small night's winnings returned. Wallet soon drained. Casino happy.
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April 25th, 2013 at 6:34:18 PM permalink
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April 25th, 2013 at 7:27:22 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So, one restroom break, and that "loose" slot machine is just is not playing the same. Small night's winnings returned. Wallet soon drained. Casino happy.



Technically it's possible for a slot, but in Missouri, I would expect most of the slot changes to occur via server during the 1-3 hours a week they are closed.

And for video poker, yeah, the paytable must change, so you should notice very quickly.
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April 26th, 2013 at 12:18:55 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

I sat next to a guy playing $10 5-play in the high limit room at Horseshoe Hammond. That's the biggest I've ever seen anybody play. $250 a spin, almost the same as Brodie's $300. He was getting a handpay about every five minutes.




Nowadays, it would be possible to make machines that would track big wins without assistance until the player wants to cash out, then it would lock up.

Why does no one do that? Or why does no legislator pass the appropriate gambling reg? Or whatever the problem is, that would make that possible.


(edit - well I guess it might have to lock up before the taxman gets his share in case players lose all they won -- so it would be somewhat more complicated, but not impossible to work out. Say, being able to play off half your big wins before locking out)
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