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August 8th, 2018 at 10:29:24 AM permalink
I was moving a couple handfuls of chips from the craps game to the noon-o'clock "closed" Spanish 21 table. Other people were just sitting down and had already put their chips on the table after I just came from a BJ table that was full. I thought I'd sit down too, but just as I was putting my chips on the table, the dealer says "You have to step away from the table until we're open." I lost my nerve and fumble-fingered my chips out of my hands and some hit the floor. I lost 4 red chips somewhere. One white chip fell on the dealer's side of the rope and she forbid me from trying to get it with my foot (the chip wouldn't slide on the rug as I was trying). So another person back there had to pick it up, put it on the table, show it to the cameras, then give it back to me. So I waited for 10 minutes while the cards arrived. There were 2 sets of 6 decks. 2 people were working on opening them and removing the Jokers, and all the 10's and 1 other card that I didn't recognize. The dealer got a load of chips, and it seems like each row of chips in the table only holds about 30 chips, idk. She was counting a lot of purples and blacks. At the craps table when they got chips they'd bring racks of what I assume are 100 chips: so 100 red chips would be $500, 100 greens would be $2500, 100 black chips would be $10,000, so 100 purple chips would be $50,000.

I picked up my chips to recount them at a nearby slot machine and dropped them again after I counted $20 short. So I cashed out $16 ahead instead of $36 ahead.

When I was driving out of the casino parking lot I noticed some severe thunderstorm clouds in the fields beyond the red light; then my radar detector went off with the letters LASER screaming at me. What is this? Did I break a 15 mph speed limit? Where's the cop? Is the casino photo ID'ing my license plate?

As far as points on my loyalty card, they just added 60 points based on my table buy-in the day before. I had 121 entries available in some drawing but I don't know how to use points yet. I check the card kiosk on my way into the casino, and I'm not always sure how to swipe the card so it tells me "We can't find your account." so I have to swipe again, and again and again until it asks for my PIN number. If I don't touch the touchscreen within like every 15 seconds it logs me out of my account screen.

As far as my craps game, I turned $60 into $144 betting mostly Passline on a warm table, but lost nearly $50 back on the last 4 shooters. I was stick-left first time up and shot a decent hand while throwing left-handed for the first time. Then some old geezers kept cutting in and pushing me down the line until I was at the end of the table and by the time I got my 2nd shot after 2 hours, I P7O and quit.

I'm hoping I can double my session money with each 7 wins I'm ahead using a progression. I could turn $60 to $960 with 28 wins. I'll probably restart at a minimum buy-in each new day though.
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August 8th, 2018 at 11:02:50 AM permalink
I guess I could bring an empty little Hillshire Farms meat bucket to put my chips in next time?
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August 8th, 2018 at 11:17:49 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I guess I could bring an empty little Hillshire Farms meat bucket to put my chips in next time?

You can exchange your small denomination chips for larger ones before you leave the table. At the craps table, just stack all your chips in front of you on the felt, and tell the dealer you want to "color up." They will give you your full amount back, using the least possible number of chips*.

E.g., $96 dollars = 8 chips total (3 x $25, 4 x $5, 1 x $1)

I've been to places where they never seem to want to give up purples ($500 chips) unless they absolutely have to; so, coloring up with, say $700, you might get 7 blacks instead of a purple and 2 blacks.
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August 8th, 2018 at 1:18:43 PM permalink
Good Lord, how drunk were you?
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August 8th, 2018 at 1:25:39 PM permalink
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Good Lord, how drunk were you?



The one other card you didn't recognize was probably the optical scan test card for the shuffler. If you noticed it had a lot of random spots, especially yellow ink, on it, that's what it was.
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August 8th, 2018 at 1:35:55 PM permalink
A fitting result for not coloring up when leaving a table.


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August 8th, 2018 at 1:59:57 PM permalink
Years ago, was playing the $3 game at the EC when these two guys got into a chip fort fight. Each seemed determined to build a higher wider tower than the other and refused to trade up their blue chips. Dealer was paying their three blue chip wins by taking two and giving a red, and the pit wasn't thrilled but didn't intervene.
I was hoping the dealer would refuse to color them up when they were done, but didn't stick around for it.
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August 8th, 2018 at 3:53:36 PM permalink
The OP would make for a good Tracy Chapman song.
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August 8th, 2018 at 4:17:54 PM permalink
yes, safer and easier to color up.

I would not trust a casino that refuses to let a table being opened up be watched. What are they trying to hide. Shuffling is supposed to be done in public view. They may not want you to put your chips on the felt but they should not try to chase you away.
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August 8th, 2018 at 4:18:19 PM permalink
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August 9th, 2018 at 4:42:35 PM permalink
Next day, I was cashing in my colored up chips at the cashier, and I think I left my loyalty card on the cashier's counter. What now?
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August 9th, 2018 at 5:24:24 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

yes, safer and easier to color up.

I would not trust a casino that refuses to let a table being opened up be watched. What are they trying to hide. Shuffling is supposed to be done in public view. They may not want you to put your chips on the felt but they should not try to chase you away.



He didn't say he couldn't watch. He said he had to step away. It's pretty common to not allow players to be seated at or standing right at the table during blackjack card changing or reviewing new decks.


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August 9th, 2018 at 6:16:14 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Next day, I was cashing in my colored up chips at the cashier, and I think I left my loyalty card on the cashier's counter. What now?



Is a Loyalty Card the same thing as a Player's Card? If so, you can just ask Player's Club Employee to give you a couple of new ones. :)
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August 9th, 2018 at 6:55:43 PM permalink
Back during my glory days of playing poker at the Bellagio, I remembered a High Limit player playing up in the top section dropped a lot of chips. Long story short, one flag ended being kicked all the way down to one of the 15-30 hold'em games throughout the course of the day. A chip runner found it and picked it up. Surveillance tracked it all the way back to the player.
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August 10th, 2018 at 6:03:08 AM permalink
So what do craps high rollers do when they want to buy-in for $10,000, double-up in an hour or two and go home? Taxes seem to require leaving the table a winner each day, so an easy win goal seems like the solution. Do high rollers just bring that in cash, and go home with cash, or do they leave the money at the front desk for the next day? How much should you leave at the front desk in case you are trespassed for no reason anyway? Do they wire it to and from their bank account every day?
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August 10th, 2018 at 6:38:20 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

So what do craps high rollers do when they want to buy-in for $10,000, double-up in an hour or two and go home? Taxes seem to require leaving the table a winner each day, so an easy win goal seems like the solution. Do high rollers just bring that in cash, and go home with cash, or do they leave the money at the front desk for the next day? How much should you leave at the front desk in case you are trespassed for no reason anyway? Do they wire it to and from their bank account every day?



There are no taxes withheld for buying in or cashing out regular craps winnings. You could turn $100 into $50,000 and no taxes would be taken.

High rollers usually use markers rather than carrying cash. They deposit money with the casino.


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August 10th, 2018 at 6:47:25 AM permalink
Everything You Wanted To Know About Casino Markers
http://almaselaw.com/2013/07/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-casino-markers/

What's it called when I just leave winnings at the desk and use that instead of markers, or would that be markers on front money with no credit application needed?
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August 10th, 2018 at 7:49:51 AM permalink
OP: You fumbled / dropped you chips twice in short order and left your card on the cashier's counter.

What was going on in that brain of yours that caused the problem?

Was it organic, alcoholic or narcotic?

Whatever, that sort of thing does not usually happen: I'd be concerned if I were you.
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August 10th, 2018 at 9:56:35 AM permalink
I was carrying 40 chips without a rack. Where's the racks? Nobody puts silver dollar tokens in the slot machines anymore?
I get 1 free beer when I gamble, for a buck. I haven't had a beer in decades.
I have a rubber band around my wallet, and the pit gave me my card back and I just put it in my pocket instead of my wallet. So when I went to the cage I put the card on the counter, and I must've forgotten to put it in my wallet when I got distracted by getting my first $100 bill.

Earlier in the day, I forgot to bring my loyalty card to the gas station, and I had to ask the cashier how to pump gas. She said "Well, I can sign you up for a new card. Which card do you have? The one that debits your bank account or the cash discount card?"
I said I didn't have the debit card, and that the discount was only a buck, so how do I pump gas without the card?
She said I had to prepay for gas. I gave her a 50. She said pump the gas, then come back in and get your change (while other people stand in line to buy beer).

I found the information on my Player's Card at home, and after 3 days of gambling I have nearly 500 points (each 100 points is worth $1?), and if I get another 1500 points I'll be eligible for a card upgrade. Can they give me a replacement card with the same number, or give me a new one with a different number and transfer all the information from the old one to the new one?
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August 10th, 2018 at 9:57:53 AM permalink
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The OP could use a corner

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August 10th, 2018 at 11:21:32 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

So what do craps high rollers do when they want to buy-in for $10,000, double-up in an hour or two and go home? Taxes seem to require leaving the table a winner each day, so an easy win goal seems like the solution. Do high rollers just bring that in cash, and go home with cash, or do they leave the money at the front desk for the next day? How much should you leave at the front desk in case you are trespassed for no reason anyway? Do they wire it to and from their bank account every day?



A lot of regular high limit players may never buy in or cash out. They will have a safety deposit box and just keep racks of chips in them. I use to see six figure and million dollar boxes at the Bellagio poker room
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August 10th, 2018 at 11:30:19 AM permalink
I've seen dealers spill their tray of chips more than once. What is the patron protocol here? Some insisted on helping to pick them up despite the mild protests of the embarrassed dealer, but one time when the tray was mostly filled with green chips, security and the pit boss jumped in right away and told everyone to stay in their seats..
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August 10th, 2018 at 12:02:20 PM permalink
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I was carrying 40 chips without a rack. Where's the racks? Nobody puts silver dollar tokens in the slot machines anymore?
I get 1 free beer when I gamble, for a buck. I haven't had a beer in decades.
I have a rubber band around my wallet, and the pit gave me my card back and I just put it in my pocket instead of my wallet. So when I went to the cage I put the card on the counter, and I must've forgotten to put it in my wallet when I got distracted by getting my first $100 bill.

Earlier in the day, I forgot to bring my loyalty card to the gas station, and I had to ask the cashier how to pump gas. She said "Well, I can sign you up for a new card. Which card do you have? The one that debits your bank account or the cash discount card?"
I said I didn't have the debit card, and that the discount was only a buck, so how do I pump gas without the card?
She said I had to prepay for gas. I gave her a 50. She said pump the gas, then come back in and get your change (while other people stand in line to buy beer).

I found the information on my Player's Card at home, and after 3 days of gambling I have nearly 500 points (each 100 points is worth $1?), and if I get another 1500 points I'll be eligible for a card upgrade. Can they give me a replacement card with the same number, or give me a new one with a different number and transfer all the information from the old one to the new one?



People lose those cards all the time. Just go to the Player's Club, give them photo ID, and they'll print you new ones for the same account you signed up with. Ask for 2, they'll give them to you. Takes 2 minutes.
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August 10th, 2018 at 12:02:20 PM permalink
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I was carrying 40 chips without a rack. Where's the racks? Nobody puts silver dollar tokens in the slot machines anymore?
I get 1 free beer when I gamble, for a buck. I haven't had a beer in decades.
I have a rubber band around my wallet, and the pit gave me my card back and I just put it in my pocket instead of my wallet. So when I went to the cage I put the card on the counter, and I must've forgotten to put it in my wallet when I got distracted by getting my first $100 bill.

Earlier in the day, I forgot to bring my loyalty card to the gas station, and I had to ask the cashier how to pump gas. She said "Well, I can sign you up for a new card. Which card do you have? The one that debits your bank account or the cash discount card?"
I said I didn't have the debit card, and that the discount was only a buck, so how do I pump gas without the card?
She said I had to prepay for gas. I gave her a 50. She said pump the gas, then come back in and get your change (while other people stand in line to buy beer).

I found the information on my Player's Card at home, and after 3 days of gambling I have nearly 500 points (each 100 points is worth $1?), and if I get another 1500 points I'll be eligible for a card upgrade. Can they give me a replacement card with the same number, or give me a new one with a different number and transfer all the information from the old one to the new one?



People lose those cards all the time. Just go to the Player's Club, give them photo ID, and they'll print you new ones for the same account you signed up with. Ask for 2, they'll give them to you. Takes 2 minutes.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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August 10th, 2018 at 12:11:08 PM permalink
But what if you leave your gas station, Walgreens (tm), Old Navy loyalty card etc on the casino cashier counter. What then? Armageddon (tm)?
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August 10th, 2018 at 12:21:06 PM permalink
I wonder if there's a Lost And Found at the casino.
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August 10th, 2018 at 2:05:47 PM permalink
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But what if you leave your gas station, Walgreens (tm), Old Navy loyalty card etc on the casino cashier counter. What then? Armageddon (tm)?


Unless your name was on it, contact the issuer for a new card. If your name was on it ask at the place where you put it down.
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August 10th, 2018 at 2:24:59 PM permalink
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I wonder if there's a Lost And Found at the casino.



Of course casinos have a Lost and Found. I lost my cell phone at a casino and was able to retrieve it the next day at the Security office.

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August 10th, 2018 at 3:06:05 PM permalink
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Of course casinos have a Lost and Found. I lost my cell phone at a casino and was able to retrieve it the next day at the Security office.

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September 16th, 2018 at 2:28:08 AM permalink
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People lose those cards all the time. Just go to the Player's Club, give them photo ID, and they'll print you new ones for the same account you signed up with. Ask for 2, they'll give them to you. Takes 2 minutes.



Last month I went to the cashiers cage where I lost my card, she said if they found it they'd throw it out. She directed me to go to the player's club desk to get a new one. They too said it would have been thrown out if found, and they made me a new card for the same account and it had all my points. They even gave me a stringy thingy to use when playing slots so I don't forget my card.

Thanks for helping out.
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