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EvenBob
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:13:37 PM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

My buddy did that 10 years ago with a 5-figure receipt at the Luxor. Probably was the easiest lay I’ve seen him get. However it was one of the hardest lay to get rid of after the deed was done.



I would imagine you have to be careful
with that ploy. Money is like catnip to
women, once they think you have it
they could be hard to get rid of. I knew
a woman who chased a guy for 10 years
because his family was rich, never gave
up till he finally died at 40. She even
faked 3 pregnancies and it didn't work.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:17:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I would imagine you have to be careful
with that ploy. Money is like catnip to
women, once they think you have it
they could be hard to get rid of. I knew
a woman who chased a guy for 10 years
because his family was rich, never gave
up till he finally died at 40. She even
faked 3 pregnancies and it didn't work.



So the guy kept screwing her for ten years and this is a bad thing? Was it the sex that killed him, in your estimation?
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:29:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I would imagine you have to be careful
with that ploy. Money is like catnip to
women, once they think you have it
they could be hard to get rid of. I knew
a woman who chased a guy for 10 years
because his family was rich, never gave
up till he finally died at 40. She even
faked 3 pregnancies and it didn't work.

Well, the tough part is... you know what they say about the crazy ones ;-)... (it's true...)
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:33:41 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

So the guy kept screwing her for ten years and this is a bad thing? Was it the sex that killed him, in your estimation?



He was rich and insecure, so he was addicted
to prescription drugs, Vicodin mostly, and it
messed up his liver. The woman was incredibly
hot, and he would give into her at times. Mostly
he avoided her. She's gone now too from, get
ready, pill addictions! She started mixing Valium
with whiskey, a big no-no, and she fell down
her stairs at home and died the next day.
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:37:37 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Well, the tough part is... you know what they say about the crazy ones ;-)... (it's true...)



I've heard there are crazy men, but I've
only ever seen crazy women. Especially
when I was in the bar biz, don't get me
started. Go back to the mental institutions
of the late 1800's in the UK and the US, and
90% of the inmates were women. Divorce
was frowned on, so a husband would have
his insane wife committed.
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:46:35 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He was rich and insecure, so he was addicted
to prescription drugs, Vicodin mostly, and it
messed up his liver. The woman was incredibly
hot, and he would give into her at times. Mostly
he avoided her. She's gone now too from, get
ready, pill addictions! She started mixing Valium
with whiskey, a big no-no, and she fell down
her stairs at home and died the next day.



I'd suggest you work on the quality of people you associate with. I'm in Vegas just under two years.( May 10 will be 2 years).
I'm sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of scammers and scummy people here. Somehow I have not met any, or if I have it was a conversation that was both short and forgettable. That isn't by accident. I've met some great people here, and some I can tolerate in small doses. Had one ,now banned, member over to my clubhouse so he could lay out a vision he felt I'd be interested in. It seemed pie in the sky and all he had to prove' his success were a couple of high level players club cards and the fact he drove a year old Mercedes. He got angry that I questioned him and accused me of wasting his time.
I was worried what he might write here about it, but when he wrote nothing I began to see why.
Shit happens to everyone. It's what you do next after being knocked down and covered in it that determines one's true quality.
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April 24th, 2018 at 1:59:02 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I'd suggest you work on the quality of people you associate with.



If you're in business, which I was, you
cannot choose who the other people
are that are in the same business as
you. You're stuck with dealing with them.

You obviously have a pie in the sky attitude
about real life, good luck with that.
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April 24th, 2018 at 2:09:24 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If you're in business, which I was, you
cannot choose who the other people
are that are in the same business as
you. You're stuck with dealing with them.

You obviously have a pie in the sky attitude
about real life, good luck with that.



Yes, working in the bar/ nightclub business for almost 15 years kept me from encountering those sorts. You meet nothing but the finest people in a dive bar, especially mid morning or early afternoons.
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April 24th, 2018 at 2:19:57 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Yes, working in the bar/ nightclub business for almost 15 years



Then why do you post nonsense like this:

"I'd suggest you work on the quality of people you associate with."

Like we get to choose who our associates
are in business. I had to deal with hundreds
of people I didn't like for over 20 years, I
had no choice. They were what they were.
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April 24th, 2018 at 2:32:08 PM permalink
I don't care if you work in a sewer or a meat factory. That's not who you are unless you choose to make it so. People you work with aren't your friends, they are people you work with. Is a zookeeper friends with his animals or are they charges?
Some people get it. Some don't . I think the jury is in on which is which.
You choose to hang around with drug addicts and whores and are somehow surprised by the negative outcomes?
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April 24th, 2018 at 2:41:54 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

People you work with aren't your friends, they are people you work with.



Yeah, so what. Where did I ever say or
give the impression that I am friends
with or hang out with people I do business
with. I can't even stand most of them.

I'm done with this, talk to yourself, which
you seem to be doing anyway.
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April 24th, 2018 at 2:54:04 PM permalink
Run away, you seem pretty good at that.
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:04:35 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Why try to prop ZK up?

Let him fall flat on his face and learn life's lessons the hard way.



Been hearing about my downfall for a decade now from everyone, but somehow my bankroll just keeps going higher, i have no debt, car is paid off, never had a credit card, never got a handout from anyone, i dont drink, i dont do drugs, no crimes, clean record, bachelors in business, etc. Meanwhile... everyone else in my age group is suffering, but 'IM THE ONE WHO'S WRONG' LOL.

I think it's time to cut your losses people and listen to the advice I give out. The advice isn't all about money either because most adults 40-60 age group dont even understand this either. They work their whole life chasing 'the dream', 'chasing retirement' only to get to retirement and realize it's all an illusion. You can only go to the beach so many times and lay in the sun. They wasted their whole life doing something they hate only to get to the illusion of retirement that they also hate.

Glad I'm too smart for society's traps. Damn im good.
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:08:13 PM permalink
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Looking back, i havent been able to humble myself and Im waiting to do so. I guess I really did know it all at a young age. Interesting.



Your def wrong about not having a relationship. At least in general. I have lots of great memories. Like a trip to new york with my beautiful, fun gf when i was like 21.

That's in general. Obv some guys here don't like women or don't know how to deal with them or with people in general.

They end up old, alone listening to people on the radio voice their anger.

Not saying you should move in w a girl and open a joint banking account. But don't hide from relationships for fear of not coming out ahead.

If you can't have normal, healthy relationships that you'll look back on happily, guess what the problem is.
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:15:25 PM permalink
My gardener made more money than ZK last year. Heck, a dishwasher at Coco's made more money. But keep talking about those East Coast glory days where you scored five touchdowns and made oodles of money.
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:18:42 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

My gardener made more money than ZK last year. Heck, a dishwasher at Coco's made more money. But keep talking about those East Coast glory days where you scored five touchdowns and made oodles of money.



Only Al Bundy can score 5 touchdowns. Go Polk High!
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:22:12 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Your def wrong about not having a relationship. At least in general. I have lots of great memories. Like a trip to new york with my beautiful, fun gf when i was like 21.

That's in general. Obv some guys here don't like women or don't know how to deal with them or with people in general.

They end up old, alone listening to people on the radio voice their anger.

Not saying you should move in w a girl and open a joint banking account. But don't hide from relationships for fear of not coming out ahead.

If you can't have normal, healthy relationships that you'll look back on happily, guess what the problem is.



Well, let me also be clear, im NOT against finding someone you truly love or against relationships in general. I'm not a 'player' or try to play one on some forum. I'm actually FOR finding the 'one', the problem is that women these days, especially american girls are so shallow, manipulative, and love to play games and that you need to be aware of what's really going on, thats all. There's a lot of good women out there, but it's still a game and if you show weakness or let a girl walk all over you in the relationship, it's bound to fall. That's the point I really wanted to make. If you can find someone where both of you don't play games, are honest with each other, and just 'click', i agree it could be something special.

Also when you look at the vast amount of divorce rates and then take a look at the animal kingdom in general, these animals don't care about 'cheating' on their partner, but society has brainwashed us to think it's a bad thing. These male animals, if they come across another female, they won't hesitate to do the deed and the female won't oblige either. I'm not FOR cheating on your partner, but just illustrating some additional ideas of why divorce numbers might continue to outweigh the successful relationships.
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:30:44 PM permalink
Wasn't this a trip report at some point????
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April 24th, 2018 at 3:31:05 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

My gardener made more money than ZK last year. Heck, a dishwasher at Coco's made more money. But keep talking about those East Coast glory days where you scored five touchdowns and made oodles of money.



The year's not over until May 21st, at least that's the day I got here. Also go ahead and tell me how many hours that gardener and dishwasher worked and how many I worked? Money also isn't everything. Glad I realized that at a young age, which many don't realize until their retirement. Make enough to live comfortably and do something you enjoy or at least something you can make your own hours and not be a slave to your boss and dreading your alarm clock each morning.

Damn, Im beyond my years.
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April 24th, 2018 at 4:00:22 PM permalink
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I’m glad AOS at least got back to even. Looking forward to another trip report Ace, and a positive run!



I’m also glad and I’m happy to be back on the forums—I’m about to head home - yesterday was a social day with friends who were also in town so I ended up not playing all but just having a good time catching up with friends
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April 24th, 2018 at 4:09:13 PM permalink
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Wasn't this a trip report at some point????



Indeed, but, my Trip Report threads always seem to take on a life of their own - I love it
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April 24th, 2018 at 4:15:52 PM permalink
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I’m also glad and I’m happy to be back on the forums—I’m about to head home - yesterday was a social day with friends who were also in town so I ended up not playing all but just having a good time catching up with friends



Any trip where you don’t lose money, get comp or discounted rooms, eat some free food and drinks, and not get arrested is EV+ in my book.
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April 24th, 2018 at 4:21:13 PM permalink
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Any trip where you don’t lose money, get comp or discounted rooms, eat some free food and drinks, and not get arrested is EV+ in my book.



That pretty much sums up the trip
Comped room
Airline miles used for flight
Got back to Even
Comped drinks and food
Friends
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April 24th, 2018 at 5:03:17 PM permalink
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"The researchers found the risk of death was 32 percent higher across a lifetime for single men compared to married men. Single women face a 23 percent higher mortality risk, compared to married women. ... They could die seven to 15 years earlier than their married female counterparts."

Aug 18, 2011 nbcnews.com



I knew someone would post that stat and I knew what my reply would be.

Bad sampling. The kind of men who get married are much more likely to be more fit and attractive and socially capable than the sample of men who do not get married.

I believe single people have higher mortality than married people because of selection bias and because later in life it is good to have a caretaker
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April 24th, 2018 at 5:04:20 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I would imagine you have to be careful
with that ploy. Money is like catnip to
women, once they think you have it
they could be hard to get rid of. I knew
a woman who chased a guy for 10 years
because his family was rich, never gave
up till he finally died at 40. She even
faked 3 pregnancies and it didn't work.



I hear ya. My friend did his due diligence to find out if she was a scammer or not. She was from a visiting tourist from the Midwest, and was staying at the Circus Circus. She totally thought our hotel was “Luxurious.” We had a hell of a time trying to shake her off without being mean or upfront. My friend ended up telling her to go back to the hotel to get some rest and a change of clothes to meet later that night. He paid for her cab and blocked her number as soon as she left. I guess it’s regional because the said girl thought my friend was rich even with a 5-figure atm receipt.
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April 24th, 2018 at 5:30:35 PM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

I guess it’s regional because the said girl thought my friend was rich even with a 5-figure atm receipt.



They think that because none of the men
they deal with have two quarters to rub
together. Also, when you see a balance
of $40K, who assumes that is the persons
entire net worth? NOBODY! You always
think it's the tip of the iceberg, because
it usually is.

In the late 80's and early 90's I had 6
banks I had accounts with. That all
changed after 9/11. Now I have none.
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April 24th, 2018 at 5:39:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They think that because none of the men
they deal with have two quarters to rub
together. Also, when you see a balance
of $40K, who assumes that is the persons
entire net worth? NOBODY! You always
think it's the tip of the iceberg, because
it usually is.



I'd agree with you on this with most people. However, having been there and having heard some of her conversations, I'm going to assume terminologies like 401K, roth, mutual funds, and retirement portfolios were greek to her. I honestly think she probably thought people kept all their liquid assets in their checking account. You have to think like a person who live paycheck to paycheck.

Quote: EvenBob

In the late 80's and early 90's I had 6
banks I had accounts with. That all
changed after 9/11. Now I have none.



FDIC insures to $250K. Why wouldn't you want to put it in banks, or multiple banks? Do you keep your money in a shoebox?
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April 24th, 2018 at 5:41:12 PM permalink
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link?


It's somewhere in this thread. Sorry, I'm not gonna hunt it down. Too many pages here. But I feel like it was posted by rxwine, keenone, or darkoz, if memory serves.
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April 24th, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM permalink
Quote: SiegfriedRoy

FDIC insures to $250K. Why wouldn't you want to put it in banks, or multiple banks?



Because banks totally changed after 9/11. I
used to take 30 out of state checks from
Ebay sales in 1999 and my bank would give
me cash for them, on the spot.

Try that now. You can't even get cash for a
check from the bank across the street,
It has to be deposited and clear before
you get the money. Screw that.

I had an assistant manager I knew before
9/11 and after. He would tell me I had no
idea how tight things got. Now they want
to know everything about you and where
you get your money from. The smallest
little suspicion of a whiff of an inproprioty
and you get put on a list of people to
watch. It got so bad he got out of the
business.

There are lots of other ways to deal with
money now that don't involve bank
accounts, that are almost as good.
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April 24th, 2018 at 7:30:17 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They think that because none of the men
they deal with have two quarters to rub
together. Also, when you see a balance
of $40K, who assumes that is the persons
entire net worth? NOBODY! You always
think it's the tip of the iceberg, because
it usually is.

In the late 80's and early 90's I had 6
banks I had accounts with. That all
changed after 9/11. Now I have none.



I was waiting for someone to say this.

I'd assume someone with enough to buy a house sitting in a checking account is pretty rich too.

Even 5 figures is way ahead of most people and means you got some money to spend. If you got 70k sitting in your checking account you can certainly take her to nice restaurants and on trips.
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April 24th, 2018 at 8:24:46 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Because banks totally changed after 9/11. I
used to take 30 out of state checks from
Ebay sales in 1999 and my bank would give
me cash for them, on the spot.

Try that now. You can't even get cash for a
check from the bank across the street,
It has to be deposited and clear before
you get the money. Screw that.

I had an assistant manager I knew before
9/11 and after. He would tell me I had no
idea how tight things got. Now they want
to know everything about you and where
you get your money from. The smallest
little suspicion of a whiff of an inproprioty
and you get put on a list of people to
watch. It got so bad he got out of the
business.

There are lots of other ways to deal with
money now that don't involve bank
accounts, that are almost as good.



Forgive me if I'm mistaken but aren't you the guy who claimed your doctor wouldn't see you unless you filled out a form about if you had guns in your house?
I've been selling comics through the mail since 1975 and out of state checks were always a problem. My bank used to release $50 that day, $100 a couple days later and hold the rest for up to ten days. If anything, the process has been greatly streamlined, not at all as you describe.
Now I mostly use paypal so no checks involved at all.
I truly feel bad for the horrible situations you seem to constantly find yourself in. If it seems I can't relate, it's because things on my world simply are better than yours, I guess.
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April 24th, 2018 at 8:32:36 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

My gardener made more money than ZK last year. .

He's been stealing your collectibles (-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 24th, 2018 at 8:34:40 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Forgive me if I'm mistaken but aren't you the guy who claimed your doctor wouldn't see you unless you filled out a form about if you had guns in your house?



Nope

Quote:

My bank used to release $50 that day, $100 a couple days later and hold the rest for up to ten days.



Then you had a suck ass bank. My bank,
before 9/11, would cash as many out
of state checks as I wanted. If you had
problems it's because the state you
live in had backward banking practices.

What looks 'streamlined' to you is just
that your backward banking practices
finally caught up to the rest of the country.
Streamlined to me meant get the hell
out and manage my money without
a bank account. Much easier to do than
I ever thought it would be,
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April 24th, 2018 at 9:06:21 PM permalink
Is your account balance really less than the check value? If not, just deposit the check and withdraw funds separately. Most banks will wash that as one transaction (check in, cash out). I've personally done that at big red and US Bank this week with no issues.
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April 24th, 2018 at 9:27:10 PM permalink
Landed back in NY - heading home
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April 24th, 2018 at 11:18:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Nope



Then you had a suck ass bank. My bank,
before 9/11, would cash as many out
of state checks as I wanted. If you had
problems it's because the state you
live in had backward banking practices.

What looks 'streamlined' to you is just
that your backward banking practices
finally caught up to the rest of the country.
Streamlined to me meant get the hell
out and manage my money without
a bank account. Much easier to do than
I ever thought it would be,




Yes, New York State banking laws are out of touch with the rest of the country. Or perhaps not.
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April 24th, 2018 at 11:22:01 PM permalink
My money's in cryptocurrency and beanie babies

I usually put in enough money to pay my credit card bill every month, so I rarely go over $1k. That's 6 digits tho (including the cents after the dollar)
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April 24th, 2018 at 11:25:11 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Is your account balance really less than the check value? If not, just deposit the check and withdraw funds separately. Most banks will wash that as one transaction (check in, cash out). I've personally done that at big red and US Bank this week with no issues.



All that does is put a hold on the funds you have in there until the check clears. An out of state check over $500 or $1000 used to take up to 30 days to fully clear.
Now it doesn't. Many business's in the 80s and 90s survived on "floating" checks. The time between the check was written and when it would clear your bank. That is no longer possible.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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April 24th, 2018 at 11:27:17 PM permalink
9 digits if you consider the $ , . as digits too. Don’t sell yourself short.
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April 24th, 2018 at 11:30:18 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I truly feel bad for the horrible situations you seem to constantly find yourself in. If it seems I can't relate, it's because things on my world simply are better than yours, I guess.



He lives on the shores of Lake Wobefound, what else can you expect?
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April 25th, 2018 at 1:40:30 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

The year's not over until May 21st, at least that's the day I got here. Also go ahead and tell me how many hours that gardener and dishwasher worked and how many I worked? Money also isn't everything. Glad I realized that at a young age, which many don't realize until their retirement. Make enough to live comfortably and do something you enjoy or at least something you can make your own hours and not be a slave to your boss and dreading your alarm clock each morning.

Damn, Im beyond my years.



Doubt there are to many gardners or dishwashers living comfortably
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April 25th, 2018 at 6:11:00 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Landed back in NY - heading home



LOL, I love how you slipped this one in! While everybody else continues to go on about women and the banking system, and topics totally unrelated to the original thread! Congrats on the break even trip!
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April 25th, 2018 at 8:28:45 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

The year's not over until May 21st, at least that's the day I got here. Also go ahead and tell me how many hours that gardener and dishwasher worked and how many I worked? Money also isn't everything. Glad I realized that at a young age, which many don't realize until their retirement. Make enough to live comfortably and do something you enjoy or at least something you can make your own hours and not be a slave to your boss and dreading your alarm clock each morning.

Damn, Im beyond my years.




So you thanked Blond for hinting to stop all the BS yet you continue???????
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April 25th, 2018 at 11:11:03 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

LOL, I love how you slipped this one in! While everybody else continues to go on about women and the banking system, and topics totally unrelated to the original thread! Congrats on the break even trip!




HAHA - yeah figured I'd write the epilogue
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