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October 18th, 2019 at 6:36:05 PM permalink
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Thanks, Wizard, I went yesterday but there was no game, still early in the day. Again I spoke to management, again they said they did not have anything written as for rules, in fact they said almost the same thing you said about finding out more this coming week. I'm going again today, maybe there will be a game.



I played that game at the gaming show. The owner said he would send me the math report on it. For now, I at least know the rules and will put those in writing as soon as I have a chance.
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October 19th, 2019 at 9:23:08 AM permalink
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I played that game at the gaming show. The owner said he would send me the math report on it. For now, I at least know the rules and will put those in writing as soon as I have a chance.



As a teaser for everyone in the meantime.

UTH betting structure to start the hand, then the following differences during game play:

1) The game has a match the dealer side bet where if any of your hole cards match the dealers, you get paid odds.

2) Just like their other Down Under games, you are given the low, mid or high range of both dealer hole cards at the start, before the player makes any play/fold decision.

3) Betting differences: Pre-flop, player may go 2 or 3 times ante or check. Post-flop player must go 1 times ante or fold (you can not see the turn/river without playing the hand).

4) Dealer always qualifies.
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October 19th, 2019 at 2:10:58 PM permalink
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4) Dealer always qualifies.



Am I ok in assuming that in a game like this where the dealer always qualifies the payouts are not as friendly as some other games? Or is it because we can’t see the turn and river, extra house edge is coming from there?
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October 19th, 2019 at 2:16:14 PM permalink
dealer gets more cards?
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October 19th, 2019 at 2:55:58 PM permalink
I believe the lack of a 4x option and the fact you have to call before seeing the turn/river cancels out the increased EV from the down under mechanism as I don’t recall much different pay tables from the UTH “blind” to this games “bet” wagers. Although I’m not 100% positive off the top of my head.
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October 19th, 2019 at 7:51:20 PM permalink
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As a teaser for everyone in the meantime.

UTH betting structure to start the hand, then the following differences during game play:

1) The game has a match the dealer side bet where if any of your hole cards match the dealers, you get paid odds.

2) Just like their other Down Under games, you are given the low, mid or high range of both dealer hole cards at the start, before the player makes any play/fold decision.

3) Betting differences: Pre-flop, player may go 2 or 3 times ante or check. Post-flop player must go 1 times ante or fold (you can not see the turn/river without playing the hand).

4) Dealer always qualifies.



That's completely different math and strategy from UTH, IMO. More like Texas Hold'Em.

I could be wrong, since I've never played it.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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October 20th, 2019 at 8:35:31 AM permalink
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That's completely different math and strategy from UTH, IMO. More like Texas Hold'Em.

I could be wrong, since I've never played it.



I was just explaining the game play for those who asked. UTH is the easiest/most common starting point for betting structure and game play with these hold‘em variations...
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October 21st, 2019 at 11:46:00 AM permalink
Lol. It never ends.



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October 21st, 2019 at 2:08:02 PM permalink
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Lol. It never ends.



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Truly incredible.
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October 21st, 2019 at 3:42:16 PM permalink
Back to the topic at hand, I think Aces Up won the show on the table games side of things.

Their new progressive sensor that can tell the color of the chip and lights up that color to allow progressive bets of any denomination is a fantastic enhancement. .

And their new version of Caribbean Blackjack with a dealer toke being built into the odds is brilliant. One of the main things you need to help make a side bet or game successful these days is dealer buy in. They have to help with teaching, explaining and supporting the game. What better way to help with that than to build a toke into the math.

Well done this year Aces Up.



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