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June 8th, 2019 at 5:45:40 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

I’m just on my phone, but http://www.mikepertgen.com/quickpay.html might have a playable version. It says it requires flash.


Just had a quick go, and when the "Dealer has 17 - Unbusted hands push"
The quick pay feature for a player 20 pays odds of 1/2*** on the total bet for the demo above, but I think it was 6/10 of the total bet (on the youtube video)?.
***: if you are playing the version where the dealer peeks, then it is never the correct play to "quick pay" a player 20 when it pays odds of 1/2 of the total bet.
Dealer peeks for BJ in the demo, so my previous guess from watching the video was wrong.

I think you would stand more against a dealer 7 up-card, because of the "...unbusted hands push" rule, right?
Which is better for the player, all other rules being the equal?
1) "22 will push against any player total of 21 or less"
2) "Dealer has 17 - Unbusted hands push"

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Update (~555 am Pac time)
Just had another look at the push 17 rule.
Because of this rule you are better off to take the 1/2 odds with a player 20 vs dealer 10.
EV is ~43.66% if you play on^^^ and 50% if you "quick pay"

^^^: I used 6 deck, s17, and dealer peeks (other rules not important for the above hand).
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Update 2 (610 am Pac Time)
Also, take the 1/2 odds with a 20 vs a dealer 7
EV is ~40.64% if you play on and 50% if you "quick pay"

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Update 3
Stand on a hard 12-16 vs dealer 7
EV is -10.7% and -10.83%, compared to about -21.2% to -40.8% if you played "traditional basic strategy".
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June 8th, 2019 at 9:13:16 AM permalink
1. The rules are very funky. If dealer has blackjack and you don't, you only lose one of your two bets.

2. Are the Quick Pay payouts on only the 2nd bet? or on both bets?

2. The rule that dealer 17 pushes against any unbusted player hand is a big deal.
-stand on 12-16 vs 7
-stand on 12 vs 2,3
- probably hit (not double) S17 v 3


3. My first impression is that, from a fresh deck, most or all of the hedge bets are unfavorable.

4. Very confusing and very complicated game.
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June 8th, 2019 at 1:16:43 PM permalink
Here's an aspect I picked up in the demo game:

The game appears to be S17 - dealer stands on S17 and pushes all unbusted hands.

Update: Also, player BJ has a payout of 3:2, but only on one bet of the player! However, as I mentioned earlier, player only loses one bet when dealer gets BJ.

Edit: Okay, I have seen the demo game hit a 3-card soft 17 -5AA - but stand on a 2 card S17, i.e., stand on A6.
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June 8th, 2019 at 2:01:25 PM permalink
Below are some basic strategy*** changes:

***: 6 deck, s17, dealer peeks, late surrender (other rules don't matter for the hands I have listed below, as far as i can see?)

Hard 12 vs 8 to A: hit (stand against everything else)
Hard 13 vs 8, 9 and A: hit (stand against everything else)
Hard 14 vs 8 and A : Hit (stand against everything else)
Hard 15 and 16 vs Anything : Stand

(Edit 1) 20 vs Dealer 2^*^, 7,10 and A: Take the "quick pay" (play on and stand against anything else)
^*^: the 2 is very close, but i think this is right.

(Edit 2) Note: I haven't checked player hard 19 or 18 yet, but I would think that they would follow a similar strategy to the one above, with the following additions, take "quick pay" with a 19 vs 9 and 18 vs 8.

The doubling^^^ strategy for this game would be the same as the basic strategy for a "regular bj game".
^^^: some doubles would be "defensive" doubles, but in regular bj all doubles are "offensive".

I haven't had a look if there are any basic strategy changes for splits.
(Edit 3) in general you would split less compared to “regular “ bj strategy, especially on “defensive” splits.
Please check to see if there are any mistakes above, but i think this is correct so far.

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Quote: gordonm888

...4. Very confusing and very complicated game.


I agree, you would think the game play would be "slower" when compared to regular bj, as the game seems more complicated.

I think it looks fun enough, and It would be a good game to play on the internet or at a machine.
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June 8th, 2019 at 2:31:17 PM permalink
Here are screen captures from the demo game, showing it Stand on 2-card S17 and Hit on 3-card S17. I've never seen this before in a game.



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June 8th, 2019 at 3:32:52 PM permalink
Maybe somebody else already mentioned this, but the Quick Pay pay is different on a 20 between the video and demo. In the video the Quick Pay on 20 is 6-5 and on the demo is 1-1. The video mentions a quick pay on 21 of 3-2, but this would be a blackjack anyway, so I don't see the purpose in mentioning it.

I acknowledge the table in the video says that the dealer stands on soft 17, but I wouldn't put much stock in that. I often have to use a table for a different game in my videos, because I don't have one for the right game.

Another quirky thing is the demo doesn't allow splitting unlike tens.

If anyone should go to the Planet Hollywood, please try to get a full set of rules.

This game has some resemblance to Half Pay Blackjack as seen at Cutting Edge 2015.



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June 8th, 2019 at 6:23:03 PM permalink
A couple questions...
1) if I go into a NV casino and ask for the rules, do they need to provide me with a copy?
2) by reading this thread only, this game appears a bit more complex than the standard, active table game. if the contributors to this thread are a bit confused, I can only imagine how many mistakes (for and against players) will be made by dealers, no?
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June 8th, 2019 at 7:06:18 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

...I can only imagine how many mistakes (for and against players) will be made by dealers, no?


There will be many mistakes by some of the players (like with regular bj).
Also, there will be at least a few by the dealers to possibly make it worth it to play (by only pointing out the mistakes ,when they are in the casino’s favour)

When I play bj variants at my casino, I try to “follow a dealer” who just came off a regular bj game and started dealing bj switch.
When I do this and get paid *** on the first dealer 22 of the game, I will stay at the table until the dealer leaves.
***: this happens ~4.% of the time , and has a high chance (90%+ ) of happening on the next dealer 22 (when it happens on the first 22).
If it doesn’t happen on the first 22, I will leave the table and repeat.

Edit: where I play (in Australia) they don’t seem to confiscate the winnings when I get paid like this.

Edit 2: I also ask the dealer “what time does there shift finish?” (or similar questions) to get an idea of how “tired” they could be


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June 12th, 2019 at 10:12:14 PM permalink
I was at Planet Hollywood about two weeks ago on the night that they put this game out on the floor. They were training people on it in an area with extra tables and then put it onto the main floor in the "pleasure pit". The name they are using is "Hedge Blackjack".

I played it for a while but found it to be unbelievably boring. Virtually nobody was betting the hedges and nobody was taking the quick pays.
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June 14th, 2019 at 3:45:10 PM permalink
Sounds awfully confusing. If the great minds on this site are having trouble grasping the rules, I could only imagine what Joe Sixpack will think of the game.
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