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darkoz
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March 21st, 2019 at 2:50:25 PM permalink
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i love how we have an industry expert here at our fingertips and people still dont believe him (teliot) when he straight up says its true and this has happened on multiple threads. for this reason i trust myself more than most of you



Teliot says in a later post of the thread that he misunderstood. He thought we were talking about audio in backrooms etc.

Not gaming floor audio
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March 21st, 2019 at 3:05:53 PM permalink
Sure they may be recording everything but that's a lot of unfiltered data. What I have doubts on is that my or any specific conversation is being actively listened to.
teliot
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March 21st, 2019 at 5:19:43 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Teliot says in a later post of the thread that he misunderstood. He thought we were talking about audio in backrooms etc.

Not gaming floor audio

You must have misunderstood this post:

Quote: teliot

Perhaps I misunderstood the intent of this thread. if the question is whether casinos record some player dialogue in some casinos somewhere the answer is certainly yes as I have personally reviewed sutch materials. I have worked internationally, and there are many casinos where audio is routinely recorded. On the other hand, I do not know of any domestic casino that captures audio on a mass gaming floor.


When I said "mass gaming" I meant "mass-gaming" areas. I am sorry if my language was not clear. Hyphens sometimes help. Then again, I am not sure how you got "not gaming floor audio" from "mass gaming". I suppose the word "mass" may be an industry word, not an AP word. When I said "there are many casinos where audio is routinely recorded" I was referring to all areas of the casino, including the gaming floor.

To clarify what I meant by "mass-gaming." This means the larger floor area where the bulk of the games are offered. It does not include high-limit and specialty gaming areas.

So, let me re-re-clarify, just in case the above is tldr;

Audio recordings are routinely taken on the casino floor in some casinos I have interacted with internationally. I have first-hand knowledge of this. Audio is not routinely recorded in "mass-gaming" areas of domestic casinos, at least none that I know about.
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darkoz
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March 21st, 2019 at 6:14:18 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

You must have misunderstood this post:


When I said "mass gaming" I meant "mass-gaming" areas. I am sorry if my language was not clear. Hyphens sometimes help. Then again, I am not sure how you got "not gaming floor audio" from "mass gaming". I suppose the word "mass" may be an industry word, not an AP word. When I said "there are many casinos where audio is routinely recorded" I was referring to all areas of the casino, including the gaming floor.

To clarify what I meant by "mass-gaming." This means the larger floor area where the bulk of the games are offered. It does not include high-limit and specialty gaming areas.

So, let me re-re-clarify, just in case the above is tldr;

Audio recordings are routinely taken on the casino floor in some casinos I have interacted with internationally. I have first-hand knowledge of this. Audio is not routinely recorded in "mass-gaming" areas of domestic casinos, at least none that I know about.



Thank you for the clarification. I was probably not clear enough either but we both are in agreement

I was referring in my OP to audio being worthless from mass gaming/large gaming area due to ambient noise like slots etc.

Quieter areas of gaming like card rooms or high limit rooms make more sense. But certainly in a high limit Blackjack room where the dealer is clearly able to hear your hit or stand requests you arent going to be dumb enough to have AP related conversations

There are some on here claiming nowhere is safe for a conversation and the entire floor is miked
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March 21st, 2019 at 6:57:05 PM permalink
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There are some on here claiming nowhere is safe for a conversation and the entire floor is miked

There are certainly casinos internationally where this is true.

Surely neural nets can be trained to monitor conversations. I imagine that in a few years this will be possible in the mass-gaming areas. At present, I think not. I put it on par with FRS.
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March 22nd, 2019 at 12:14:34 AM permalink
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There are certainly casinos internationally where this is true.

Surely neural nets can be trained to monitor conversations. I imagine that in a few years this will be possible in the mass-gaming areas. At present, I think not. I put it on par with FRS.



I'm sure DARPA is a few years into it already.
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March 22nd, 2019 at 2:55:26 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Thank you for the clarification. I was probably not clear enough either but we both are in agreement

I was referring in my OP to audio being worthless from mass gaming/large gaming area due to ambient noise like slots etc.

Quieter areas of gaming like card rooms or high limit rooms make more sense. But certainly in a high limit Blackjack room where the dealer is clearly able to hear your hit or stand requests you arent going to be dumb enough to have AP related conversations

There are some on here claiming nowhere is safe for a conversation and the entire floor is miked

The fact is that if they really wanted to they could listen in to your conversations. Its better to be overly cautious and keep yourself or a play from ending than it is to be loose with your actions.

Who knows what some people are dumb enough to do.
Some "AP's" are dumb enough to blatantly hand money Back-and-forth in the casino without a care in the world. I can guarantee you that is a big red flag. I have seen it in reports, A surveillance guy told me its something they watch for, I have seen it in a griffin book as a tell tell sign of shenanigans, I have seen security guards and management notice prompting them to take action. I could go on but ill leave it up to your imagination. It's one of the first of many tip offs for casinos that something isn't right.
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darkoz
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March 22nd, 2019 at 4:22:16 AM permalink
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The fact is that if they really wanted to they could listen in to your conversations. Its better to be overly cautious and keep yourself or a play from ending than it is to be loose with your actions.

Who knows what some people are dumb enough to do.
Some "AP's" are dumb enough to blatantly hand money Back-and-forth in the casino without a care in the world. I can guarantee you that is a big red flag. I have seen it in reports, A surveillance guy told me its something they watch for, I have seen it in a griffin book as a tell tell sign of shenanigans, I have seen security guards and management notice prompting them to take action. I could go on but ill leave it up to your imagination. It's one of the first of many tip offs for casinos that something isn't right.



Well maybe in Vegas

On the East Coast we dont have to worry about that. You can trust me on that one.

And I too have seen security reports and spoken to security staff at the highest levels.

EDIT: As I am primarily not a tables game AP perhaps we are just discussing 2 different beasts here.

If I am handing someone money in a casino its generally over a slot machine or in a food vendor.

I have handed cash to friends of mine at live tables because then I wasnt APing which if the casino wanted to follow my every move now I would have no problem with. I rarely play live tables where I AP because it would feel too much like giving the money back
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rxwine
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March 22nd, 2019 at 9:21:36 AM permalink
The heck with audiophobia

Soon you will be contacted on how to buy back your naked video. (not you, not you, the good looking ones) Coming to a hotel room near you.

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about 1,600 people have been secretly filmed in hotel rooms in South Korea, with the footage live-streamed online for paying customers to watch, police said Wednesday.

Two men have been arrested and another pair investigated in connection with the scandal, which involved 42 rooms in 30 accommodations in 10 cities around the country. Police said there was no indication the businesses were complicit in the scheme.

In South Korea, small hotels of the type involved in this case are generally referred to as motels or inns.
Cameras were hidden inside digital TV boxes, wall sockets and hairdryer holders and the footage was streamed online, the Cyber Investigation Department at the National Police Agency said in a statement.

The site had more than 4,000 members, 97 of whom paid a $44.95 monthly fee to access extra features, such as the ability to replay certain live streams. Between November 2018 and this month, police said, the service brought in upward of $6,000.

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March 22nd, 2019 at 9:45:22 AM permalink
Except for finding poker players in cahoots with each other (which a dealer would hear), why would they even care.
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