Getting paid on a losing hand
I encounter numerous mistakes from dealers misreading their own hands in UTH, paying me off when I have a losing hand.
Quote: VegasriderWould anyone know what the casino or gaming rules are when you get paid on a losing hand from a dealers mistake that they are not aware of? Do you stop the dealer from paying you or just stay quiet and get paid and watch your cards get picked up and put stacked up for the next shuffle or deal?
I encounter numerous mistakes from dealers misreading their own hands in UTH, paying me off when I have a losing hand.
There are a dozen pre existing threads which address this topic. There is no 'rule' that says you have to alert the dealer if they pay you by mistake. Some members say they never tell the dealer. Others say they always alert the dealer. It's up to you.
Quote: GWAENot your job to train the dealers how to do their job. Just be aware that the floor may catch it later and they have the right to ask you for the money back. You then have 2 options. 1 pay it back and keep playing or fight it and probably be banned.
You’re right, not my job to train the dealer. As far as getting banned, I have been warned by the casino that I cannot assist anyone on a hand or I will be banned, so yeah, one player to a hand will apply in this case as far as I’m concerned.
Quote: michael99000These are the types of threads where the forum misses PaiGowDan. He was always good for playing the contrarian role.
Maybe Zcore could step in and tell us why we should be backroomed, bound, gagged, and arrested for accepting incorrect payouts.
Quote: gamerfreakMaybe Zcore could step in and tell us why we should be backroomed, bound, gagged, and arrested for accepting incorrect payouts.
The Commish will give you some pointers as well. He just wants you to stay out of his sandbox.
Quote: GWAEJust be aware that the floor may catch it later and they have the right to ask you for the money back. You then have 2 options. 1 pay it back and keep playing or fight it and probably be banned.
What happens to players that have already lost the ill-gotten gains in the interim? Does the house just let it slide or do the unlucky players get a free tour of the back rooms?
Quote: GialmereWhat happens to players that have already lost the ill-gotten gains in the interim? Does the house just let it slide or do the unlucky players get a free tour of the back rooms?
I would assume you would just be 86'd at WORST for playing back and losing ill gotten gains and at best given a stern warning to never play ill gotten gains again.
Quote: NathanI would assume you would just be 86'd at WORST for playing back and losing ill gotten gains and at best given a stern warning to never play ill gotten gains again.
Wrong!
Quote: MaxPenThe Commish will give you some pointers as well. He just wants you to stay out of his sandbox.
When we find out about an overpayment, I will generally ask the player for the money back. If they choose to give it back, great. If not, oh well. Getting the money back will keep the dealer from receiving a disciplinary notice, or termination if the amount is too large. I have never backroomed, bound, gagged, arrested, or even told someone to leave for not giving it back.
YMMV.
I don’t want anyone to lose their job so I’m not going to tell the pit or have them watch the tape, but I have no problem letting others know that they need to pay attention when she’s in the box. But the regular players already know so it usually becomes a WoW thing when she leaves the box.
Years ago I played regularly with a a blackjack dealer at Borgata. We never spoke a word other then hi. But he would always overpay a winning hand by one black chip at least once per session. Usually on a double or split when there was a decent size stack of chips
I will speak up though when a dealer makes a mistake and underpays another player though. This happens way more often and too many people are shy and scared to speak out.
Quote: ChumpChangeSome craps dealers are working in such a rushed environment, they just make mistakes, nearly every roll, and have to be reminded by the player to pay them correctly. Like they'll forget to pay a Don't that won on a 7-out, or they'll mis-chip you on a PL payout. With all the hop action I've seen, some suit had to walk up to the table and tell the players not to throw chips out on the table when the stickman has yelled "dice coming out" and shoved the dice to the player, also meaning the stickman should wait a little longer so these center bets get put in place first, and call "No more bets, please!". It wasn't quite deliberate past-posting but players were still throwing chips on the table when the dice were being tossed. It was a very unruly crowd filled with hostile banter and the casino didn't have security toss anyone out, cause I'm sure cops would be called anywhere else. Everybody but me winning greens in large numbers at the table though.
When people did that (repeatedly & knowing better) to us when I dealt, we just took their money and didn’t book their action. If they started b****ing and moaning, I’d call floor person and 50/50 they’d tell me to give them whatever money back and the other half they’d tell the player “So the dealer said ‘No more bets’ and you still tried to make a bet? Your fault.” and just walk away. It’s just people taking shots. I’ve seen a few people get 86’d at the dice table for taking shots. One got body slammed (according to a manager at least) outside for being an a**hole.
Quote: GWAENot your job to train the dealers how to do their job. Just be aware that the floor may catch it later and they have the right to ask you for the money back. You then have 2 options. 1 pay it back and keep playing or fight it and probably be banned.
Depending on the jurisdiction, the player can be prosecuted for theft if they don't give it back.
Quote: DeucekiesDepending on the jurisdiction, the player can be prosecuted for theft if they don't give it back.
I guess it is a kind of theft if you don't give back the mistaken overpay after being told you were given the overpay by mistake.
