beachbumbabs
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June 15th, 2017 at 2:08:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks. However, I think I can be forgiven as BBB said aces are ALWAYS high. Always does mean always.

Nope. No forgiveness today. :)
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Wizard
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June 15th, 2017 at 6:18:53 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Nope. No forgiveness today. :)

Ouch! Well, as a married man, I'm used to it.

I just wrote up a new page on Discard Inferno. SG kindly shared the math report by CrystalMath so it was pretty easy. The only thing I did was the Aces Up.

Please, everyone, have a look. As always, I welcome questions, comments, and especially corrections.
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Hunterhill
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June 15th, 2017 at 7:49:29 AM permalink
Under rules #3 it should say "the other 6 face down"
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Wizard
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:24:59 AM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Under rules #3 it should say "the other 6 face down"

Thank you.
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Ayecarumba
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:48:57 AM permalink
Under rule #8, the third bullet point reads, "If the player has the higher tie.." I think it is supposed to read, "If the player has the higher hand..."
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Wizard
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:55:18 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Under rule #8, the third bullet point reads, "If the player has the higher tie.." I think it is supposed to read, "If the player has the higher hand..."

Thanks, you're right.

SG also sent along a math report for a side bet called the Burn Baby Burn. It pays based on the final number of dealer cards after the discarding process. I just added an analysis of that to the end of my report.

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gordonm888
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:03:39 AM permalink
A buddy and I have been modeling Discard Inferno, but we were unaware of the paytable for the Blind Bet that the Wizard has posted.- we had been assuming that the blind bet had a 1:1 payout on all player hands that were trips or higher. Hopefully, we can independently confirm the HE.
Ayecarumba
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June 15th, 2017 at 10:48:30 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

...SG also sent along a math report for a side bet called the Burn Baby Burn...

Hehe... at some point a line is going to be crossed and someone is going to get their nuts sued off. What's next, "Saturday Night Fiver"?
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Wizard
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June 15th, 2017 at 11:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Hehe... at some point a line is going to be crossed and someone is going to get their nuts sued off. What's next, "Saturday Night Fiver"?

Just as long as nobody makes a Drill Baby Drill bet, I won't complain.

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gordonm888
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June 15th, 2017 at 2:08:22 PM permalink
Okay, we have simulated the Discard Inferno game using a rough (non-optimum) player strategy -and using the Blind Bet payout table that we had been previously unaware of.

We calculate a House Edge of 1.624 % and I fully expect we would get the 1.600% House Edge if we put in a more complex Basic Strategy for the player.

Basic Strategy in Calculation of HE=1.624%

Always BET 3X with 3 of a Kind and Better

For other player decisions, it depends upon whether the dealer upcard is low (2-8) or high (9-A)

vs 9-A
Bet 2X with a 33 pair or higher
Bet 1X with any K-High or higher
Fold with Q-High or lower

vs 2-8
Bet 2X with JJ-AKQ or higher
Bet 1X with any 44 pair or higher vs 3-8
Bet 1X with any 22 pair or higher vs 2
Otherwise FOLD

The above strategy for when to BET 1X vs 2-8 can be improved significantly and would probably reduce the House Edge to something very close to the value of 1.600% that is said to be in the math report.