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MathExtremist
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August 21st, 2015 at 5:47:45 PM permalink
Quote: DoubleOrNothing

Like that Wikipedia article link posted by MathExtremist a while back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaemons

Yeah, sure, they shut their charitable organization down right away after years of preparation and only $10,000 in winnings - so they claim - because someone wouldn't stop burning themselves on the chest with the sensor.

Just a bit shy of the laughter of reading ME's "resume" in Axel's Employment thread.

If you haven't read the book, it's hard to have a credible comment on the Eudaemons' motivations. Money doesn't motivate everyone. Thorp wasn't motivated by money either.

And I don't recall posting my resume but I'm always happy to provide some much-needed mirth.
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ShineyShine
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August 21st, 2015 at 11:30:15 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Several years ago I was invited to a demonstration of a dealer targeting four slots on a wheel. This was at a major strip casino.



What did you think of this demonstration? Did it seem legit? Was the dealer able to successfully do it?
EvenBob
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August 22nd, 2015 at 12:20:20 AM permalink
One of the funniest threads in a long time.
Bigfoot, unicorns, and roulette dealers who
can consistently predict where the will land.

Best comments are from people who have
'seen it with their own eyes'. LOL
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ShineyShine
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August 22nd, 2015 at 12:43:21 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

One of the funniest threads in a long time.
Bigfoot, unicorns, and roulette dealers who
can consistently predict where the will land.

Best comments are from people who have
'seen it with their own eyes'. LOL



Not 'predict' where the ball will land; knowingly influence or deliberately aim.

Prediction of the where the ball will land is a separate issue, as in ME's Eudaemons example. I think prediction of where the ball land via a mobile phone was used in a London casino a few years back, and those involved were charged, but i cant find any links to that case. That i believe is possible.

Edit; Think i found the case...

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/mar/23/sciencenews.crime
AlanMendelson
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August 22nd, 2015 at 1:19:45 AM permalink
Quote: DoubleOrNothing

What proof have you offered? None.

What analysis have you offered? None.

What logical reasoning for this have you offered? None.

Can you do it? No.

How often was it done? Who knows.

Don't you be so naive.



I can't reveal the casino. Those of you who know me know why I can't.

I never said I can do it.

How often was it done? Enough that those of us in attendance will never say it can't be done.
AlanMendelson
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August 22nd, 2015 at 5:10:44 AM permalink
Quote: ShineyShine

What did you think of this demonstration? Did it seem legit? Was the dealer able to successfully do it?



As I said the dealer was able to hit a group of four adjacent slots. We took turns requesting which grouping we wanted him to hit.
rawtuff
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August 22nd, 2015 at 7:25:55 AM permalink
Not sure where all the non believing is coming from.

As it can be seen in the OP link the person is hitting it pretty consistent and the ball is making 18-20 rounds.
There is dozens of videos from this same person, no cutting as well, which show the same concept and he is a legit roulette AP. Whether this is possible in real casino environment nowadays is a whole different question.

The catch is the wheel has to be vary favorable for this to work (drop zone and scatter). Not to many, if any out there today.
TomG
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August 22nd, 2015 at 8:19:53 AM permalink
Quote: CyrusV

they are risking their job / license if it becomes know, that's a step too far, they wouldn't risk their livelihood,



Good point. Why would a casino risk losing their license and livelihood by offering a game that wasn't fair over a measly black chip (that they would probably earn back anyway if the game wasn't rigged)?
Ahigh
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August 22nd, 2015 at 10:30:46 AM permalink
Quote: ShineyShine

Not 'predict' where the ball will land; knowingly influence or deliberately aim.

Prediction of the where the ball will land is a separate issue, as in ME's Eudaemons example. I think prediction of where the ball land via a mobile phone was used in a London casino a few years back, and those involved were charged, but i cant find any links to that case. That i believe is possible.

Edit; Think i found the case...

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/mar/23/sciencenews.crime



This is the first post that was correctly blocked for quoting someone that was blocked.

So AWESOME!

Thanks for FIXING IT!

Now EB can go back to "killing boars" on WOVRPG (and being quoted in his quest for experience points) without bugging me.
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FleaStiff
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August 22nd, 2015 at 1:24:49 PM permalink
Quote: ShineyShine

Thanks for the responses, very interesting.

I'm very skeptical about this, hence the thread. Like Fleastiff said, if a dealer was able to do this, they'd have their family and friends cleaning up. And if this was the case, i don't think Roulette would be a viable game anymore due to this. Since Roulette is still offered, I can only conclude it isn't possible.


Now I did not say it was not "possible"...the casino forces the croupier to look at a specific place on the layout prior to releasing the bass, not at the wheel. this lets the casino owner sleep at night because he doesn't have to worry whether the croupier actually has the skill and can do it again and again...... the casino forces croupiers to follow the rules and all those eyes watching everyone are watching for deviations from procedures.

No pockets means its gonna be real difficult to use wax irrespective of whether the croupier knows how to use it.

No looking at the wheel five seconds prior to ball release means its difficult even if the croupier has the skill.

alternating size of ball each spin makes it more difficult to hit a specific number.

alternating hands makes it more difficult to hit a specific number.

so even a croupier "can"... is inclined to give it a try, he is not likely to gain the opportunity and he is being watched for any unusual procedures.

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