Riva
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May 27th, 2015 at 3:28:15 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Strange that they require a backround check on the volunteers but they have no problem letting the event steal from players.

Hi Riva, I couldn't resist. I have been gentle lately.



Fully understand and, I forgive you! :)

While we had a banner year in our Vegas Tent, several players went home with a LOT more than they came in with. We had one guy hold the dice on one of our craps table for about 45 minutes. He won about $1,500 before giving back about $500. While we have a $500 cap on winnings, he simply handed off $500 to a pal, checked out, and went home happy. We really don't care so long as the tent is profitable at the end of the weekend. Besides, his winning streak dragged in about 50 players to the tables, and they were not as lucky.
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May 27th, 2015 at 3:54:11 PM permalink
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Charity event nonwithstanding, I can't imagine its a good idea to use a copyrighted game like "Let it Ride" when you haven't paid the appropriate licensing fees to do so. And of all the games to cherry pick from, that's the one you pick.


I was pursued pretty aggressively by a gambling supply outfit to return my Three Card Poker layout for a refund once SHFL got a hold of them for illegally selling it online and I was not using if for any commercial purpose.

It would make sense to me if Riva simply contacted Bally and asked permission to use the game for the 4 day event, my guess is for a charity event, you get an easy yes from Bally with no payment required. In fact you could even look to see if they would let you use Three Card or some of the rest of their library. For the right cause and maybe some recognition, I would think they would good with it, but who knows.
Riva
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May 27th, 2015 at 5:28:49 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I was pursued pretty aggressively by a gambling supply outfit to return my Three Card Poker layout for a refund once SHFL got a hold of them for illegally selling it online and I was not using if for any commercial purpose.

It would make sense to me if Riva simply contacted Bally and asked permission to use the game for the 4 day event, my guess is for a charity event, you get an easy yes from Bally with no payment required. In fact you could even look to see if they would let you use Three Card or some of the rest of their library. For the right cause and maybe some recognition, I would think they would good with it, but who knows.



For the record...these tables were donated to us by a school patron who was, at one time, in the party rental business. Once were informed that this game was protected by copy-write, we immediately removed the tables from the tent. Not one hand was played from these tables during our event.

I'm told that let-it-ride nets the house only slightly more $$ than BJ, but with a LOT more work (dealer-wise), I'm not so sure that the novelty of this game is worth it, in the grand scheme of things.
JohnnyQ
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May 27th, 2015 at 6:18:44 PM permalink
I hope you raised a lot of money.

I for one would enjoy the social aspect of an event like this, knowing full well that the odds are stacked against me, 'cuz it's a charity event. I do know where ROMES is coming from, and that is also worth taking into account.

I worked hard raising money for one of the groups at the local High School for a couple of years. I also felt that the money that was raised from a ton of volunteer hours should also be spent very, very wisely. It wasn't. And that's why I am not actively involved in that fund-raising anymore.

But I am happy to support the United Way through work paycheck deductions.
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Riva
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May 28th, 2015 at 11:24:00 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

I hope you raised a lot of money.


I worked hard raising money for one of the groups at the local High School for a couple of years. I also felt that the money that was raised from a ton of volunteer hours should also be spent very, very wisely. It wasn't. And that's why I am not actively involved in that fund-raising anymore.



I squint my eyes at some of that stuff too. 100% of the money we raise goes to help families who might not otherwise be able to afford to send their child to our school. The are countless organizations that are involved in charitable gaming as a way to help others.

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May 28th, 2015 at 11:42:00 AM permalink
Edit.

I commented that Riva may have opened a can of worms. Riva has since deleted the item I was referring to.
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May 28th, 2015 at 3:34:02 PM permalink
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I squint my eyes at some of that stuff too. 100% of the money we raise goes to help families who might not otherwise be able to afford to send their child to our school.


Then it should be a very good (although a "100% beat" as you put it) feeling to know you worked hard to help others.
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May 29th, 2015 at 8:50:03 AM permalink
New ruling out in Michigan today not sure if this effects your games or not

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/05/29/michigan-appeals-court-upholds-charity-poker-rules/28147351/
Riva
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May 29th, 2015 at 9:49:21 AM permalink
Quote: coilman

New ruling out in Michigan today not sure if this effects your games or not

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/05/29/michigan-appeals-court-upholds-charity-poker-rules/28147351/



Just noticed it. Thanks.

Very confusing article. I will have to make some calls to get better definition.

All of this noise comes as a result of the poker rooms. Regrettably, all charitable gaming, poker and traditional games like mine, fall under the same law and regulations. Thus, when the State imposes new regulation specifically to control issues emerging from the poker room, there is very little consideration how those regulation impact non-poker gaming.

For those unfamiliar with Michigan's poker room gaming, it has become a $300 million dollar "industry" over the last decade. All that's need is a non-profit to buy a $50 license and have a minimum of 3 members of the organization present at their own event. Typically, a bar, restaurant of banquet hall hosts the game (for a fee) and a licensed supplier provides the equipment, tables and dealers (also for a fee). So, it does not take much of an "investment' on the non-profit organization's part to conduct a fundraising event.

The trouble that has emerged is that in the past, incredibly, some charities did not show up for their own event, leaving 100% control AND THE CASH to the location and/or supplier. Plus, many organizations, either knowingly or unknowingly, sold chips in excess of the $15,000 per day wager limit. Some by 10's of thousands of dollars per day. Then, there are crooked dealers, drugs and an assortment of other abuses. The State was forced to move in because things got out of control. Again, what they did in response to the poker rooms hurts organizations like mine.

What separates organizations like mine from the poker rooms is that our event is conducted at our own location, we own 100% of the equipment and tables and 98% of the workforce is volunteer.

In many ways, the organizations are being taken advantage of by the locations and suppliers because of their "smallness". The charities know this and many are powerless to change the situation and are happy to make a just few meager dollars from their events and pay the rooms and suppliers royally. If they were smart, they should work as a cooperative, as opposed to singularly, in order to keep the lion's share of the revenue, like we do. It aint that difficult at the end of the day.

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