3 card poker

I don't play the game, but for tournament purposes I might. Since tournaments might have different rules consider the situation below instead.

We will assume we are playing an ordinary game. I make a bet on Ante and PP and get a straight. I don't have enough money to bet the play. If I fold the hand do I still get ante bonus? I can't find anywhere that it actually says that. I would consider it a loss and thus I would get paid the bonus.

Even if I had enough money to make the play bet, I might just need the amount of money I win on PP as long as I do not lose 1 bet on the ante and play. So I could fold and push the Ante-Ante bonus and not have to play anymore hands.

Thanks

You're going to need a better explanation to get any answers.

Why are you playing ante if you don't have the money to bet?

Doesn't matter. I am just setting it up for someone who actually plays 3 card poker. I just can't find an answer on the web when you fold if you get paid the ante bonus.

Quote: larwiz1

We will assume we are playing an ordinary game. I make a bet on Ante and PP and get a straight. I don't have enough money to bet the play. If I fold the hand do I still get ante bonus? I can't find anywhere that it actually says that. I would consider it a loss and thus I would get paid the bonus.

Even if I had enough money to make the play bet, I might just need the amount of money I win on PP as long as I do not lose 1 bet on the ante and play. So I could fold and push the Ante-Ante bonus and not have to play anymore hands.

Thanks

In the UK, folding the hand means the hand is dead. Cards and bets taken, no payout.

You can play just Pair Plus (usually) without the Ante+Play combo, but if you make the Ante bet, you must make the Play bet, or else forfeit all your wagers including Pair Plus.

Quote: Deucekies

You can play just Pair Plus (usually) without the Ante+Play combo, but if you make the Ante bet, you must make the Play bet, or else forfeit all your wagers including Pair Plus.

If fold the ante bet, you will typically lose all payouts associated with that hand including the pair plus bet and any ante bonuses. The only exception is if you are in a casino that allows you to play the pair plus bet only. In that case there is no option to fold.


In AC and in certain other casinos, you must play an ante bet equal or greater to the pair plus bet. Obviously if you get a hand that automatically wins a pair plus or an ante bonus, you would not be folding your hand...

Quote: larwiz1

Doesn't matter. I am just setting it up for someone who actually plays 3 card poker. I just can't find an answer on the web when you fold if you get paid the ante bonus.

I think you edited your post, because it makes more sense now.

Quote: edwardhou1

In AC and in certain other casinos, you must play an ante bet equal or greater to the pair plus bet. Obviously if you get a hand that automatically wins a pair plus or an ante bonus, you would not be folding your hand...

Golden Nugget lets you play more on the Pair Plus than the ante... not sure if they allow pair plus only bets, however.

Quote: edwardhou1

If fold the ante bet, you will typically lose all payouts associated with that hand including the pair plus bet and any ante bonuses.

This is the type of answer I am trying to find as it relates to the ante bonus. Where did you get this information.

have to agree w/others here. bad decision with final stakes. The better bet would be the Pairs+ alone. You catch a Straight and now you have chips. OTOH if you played Ante only (no P+) you would have thee chip(s) for the Raise. This is a $$$ mgmt question. The answer is manage your last chips properly.

Quote: Croupier

In the UK, folding the hand means the hand is dead. Cards and bets taken, no payout.

With this info and a web site http://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/poker.html I was able to find the rule for the game.

"Ante Bonus odds

A Player who has made both an Ante and a Play wager will win an Ante Bonus for the Ante wager if their hand contains one of the following:-

• Straight – normally paid 1 to 1
• Three of a Kind – normally paid 4 to 1
• Straight Flush – normally paid 5 to 1"

The implication being, as stated by Croupier, that folding would lose the ante bonus.

I assume, since this is a proprietary game that the same rules apply in the US, but I can not find the rule on the web which is what I am looking for.

As I originally stated, I do not play 3 card poker and have no intention to play 3 card poker unless it is in a tournament. Tournaments are a horse of a different color and a push can be just as valuable as a win.

By the way, I can think of a scenario where folding an ante bet as long as you get paid the ante bonus would be the correct play.

I think of it as the "Blues Brothers" approach and it is applicable in tournaments. I need X number of dollars to do something. I can have more but not one penny less. Suppose I need 500. For some reason I wander to the very negative 3 card poker table. I bet 100 on PP and 600 on Ante and get dealt a straight. If I could fold and get paid the Ante bonus, I would break even on the bottom and get paid 600 on PP. I would have met my goal and do not have to play another hand.

If I am forced to play the hand to get the ante bonus, then there is a small chance that I will lose and have to keep playing the negative game. This is fraught with disaster.

Quote: larwiz1

If I am forced to play the hand to get the ante bonus, then there is a small chance that I will lose and have to keep playing the negative game. This is fraught with disaster.

Small chance? With a straight? I dunno the exact odds on that, but that's a very small chance. You should be happy to gamble an additional $600 with huge +EV on that $600 going into action.

Quote: AcesAndEights

Small chance? With a straight? I dunno the exact odds on that, but that's a very small chance. You should be happy to gamble an additional $600 with huge +EV on that $600 going into action.

Out of the total 407170400 posible player vs. dealer hands:
Winning straights: 12976488
Losing straights: 270504
Tied straights: 18288

Quote: larwiz1

assume we are playing an ordinary game. I make a bet on Ante and PP and get a straight. I don't have enough money to bet the play. If I fold the hand do I still get ante bonus?

Logic says that you would NOT be paid the Ante bonus, since folding forfeits the Ante bet you made. And depending on the dealer and/or casino, you might not even get paid on the Pair Plus if you fold.

I am not sure that is logical. Forfeit means loss to me and the rules on the wizard's site says you win the ante bonus whether you win or lose. It is the ambiguity that is causing me to hunt for the actual rules of the game.

I have a feeling that casinos would not pay you the ante bonus or the pair plus if they have the right to do so on a proprietary game.

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Quote: larwiz1

I am not sure that is logical. Forfeit means loss to me and the rules on the wizard's site says you win the ante bonus whether you win or lose. It is the ambiguity that is causing me to hunt for the actual rules of the game.

I have a feeling that casinos would not pay you the ante bonus or the pair plus if they have the right to do so on a proprietary game.

From Washing State Gambling Commission Rules:

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If the player has made the ANTE wager and the PAIR PLUS wager, he must make
the PLAY wager or will forfeit both the ANTE and PAIR PLUS wagers.

Quote: larwiz1

I am not sure that is logical. Forfeit means loss to me and the rules on the wizard's site says you win the ante bonus whether you win or lose. It is the ambiguity that is causing me to hunt for the actual rules of the game.

Right, if you make the Play bet with a Straight and the dealer opens a Straight Flush, you will win 1:1 for the Ante bonus, but your Ante bet itself and your Play bet will be collected.

If you fold, the dealer will typically place your cards in the discard rack without even looking at them, and collect your bets. Again, this varies by dealer and/or casino; some dealers/casinos will turn your cards face up if you fold. But under normal circumstances, whether cash play or tournament play, a Straight should never be folded. As was previously mentioned, either don't make the Ante bet, or don't bet so much on it that you can't afford to also make the Play bet.

In other words, I don't think there is an "official rule" for this type of situation, because nobody would ever put themselves in that situation. Therefore, I think it all comes down to the casino policy as to whether or not they reveal folded cards before collecting bets.

Chance of a Straight is about 3.2%, better than a single Roullette number.

Yah JB very grey area. Q-Poker gets this aspect right with fold=lose 1/2. A fold is a fold, and any other side-bet depends upon standing. No "additional" risk. Standing with a straight is 3/2 for a win or 1/2 if DNQ. As I've said before, the more weasel-room in 3CP, the less I like it.

Quote: JB

If you fold, the dealer will typically place your cards in the discard rack without even looking at them, and collect your bets. Again, this varies by dealer and/or casino; some dealers/casinos will turn your cards face up if you fold.

One of my local places always turns the cards up, which I hate. Looks kind of fishy when you fold a king or an A72...

At our casino in Singapore (and I think this should be logical for most casinos), once a 3 card poker hand is folded, the cards are never revealed as a rule of thumb as it is possible that there will be other players who have not made their decision to fold or bet the ante. Given that folded cards go straight back to the dealer unrevealed, if you were to fold a straight, you CANNOT be paid the ante bonus because the cards are no longer in play and they can no longer be revealed after the dealer has shown his/her hand. I also cannot think of a situation where anyone would fold a pair, let alone a straight.

Here are some of the type of bets that can be made here -

1. The most common is the usual bet on the Ante and Pair Plus. There is no restriction on the ratio of your Ante or Pair Plus bet, and depending on your playing style, you may choose to bet the same or more on one of the bet. There is however a maximum limit on the Pair Plus bet which is 20% of the maximum Ante Bet. Our table minimums are $25 for each box with a $5000 maximum on the Ante and $1000 maximum on Pair Plus.

2. You can choose to bet on Ante alone. Whenever you play the Ante, you can also play for the Progressive Jackpot side bet for an additional $2.50 (which is also allowed in the 1st scenario).

3. You can choose to bet on Pair Plus alone. Should you play only the Pair Plus, you are NOT allowed to view your cards during the game and it will only be revealed by the dealer once the dealer's hand is revealed. Players who only play the Pair Plus cannot play for the Progressive Jackpot.

4. You are allowed to play more than 1 box and for the other boxes, you can choose to play any of the above scenarios but you are not allowed to view the cards in the other boxes.

Not entirely relevant but may be of interest to anyone who happens to visit the casinos in Singapore. The rules above are for the casino at Resorts World. :)