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gr8player
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:59:50 PM permalink
Do not twist my words....if you wish to conduct a discourse, do so in a truthful manner.

The pitboss in question was about to retire in a couple of months, and actually made two distinct remarks to me:

1.) He'd never seen a Baccarat player with my patience. He, apparently, could not conceive anyone charting the table and waiting that length of time before committing to a play (read: a trend play).

2.) He said that he was about to retire, and asked me if I would be against him playing Baccarat alongside me after he retires. He stated that he enjoys the game and had done some of his own "research" into it (I can only suppose that meant that he was looking into some possible "advantage" plays), and was most impressed with my particular "mode" of play. (I say "mode" because while he might've had an inkling of my play, he didn't know nearly as much as he'd have liked to....hence, he wanted to play alongside me.) Needless to say, I never did give him any real answer, pretty much just shrugging the inquiry off.

That is THE TRUTH of it. When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH. Tell us, Spike/EvenBob, can the same be said of you?
Boz
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August 21st, 2013 at 3:18:19 PM permalink
I see multiple suspensions coming out of this one.
ongsoc2
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August 21st, 2013 at 3:31:56 PM permalink
Yes Gr8player: "When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH."

Hello Gr8player,
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your tireless effort in convincing players that there is a way to overcome the casino edge but that holy grail is come from within ourselves. That is we can make it happen if we have a plan and a necessary patience and discipline to carry out our plan.
I have read a lot of your posts from GG Forum to Baccarat Forum and I have to tell you that I absolutely agree with what you said because it came from years of experience. Too bad that some members did not see or understand what you try to explain in the posts and even joke about your idea. I think it is unfair that people treat you like that. That why I did try to direct you to look for somewhere else twice (one in private message and one in the other thread “Decisions, Decision”) so that you can share your valuable ideas where people will more appreciate.
I have few questions for you but I’m not sure if it is in the right place at a right time to put my question here with all the heated exchange between members.
Anyway, Good luck!
OS
EvenBob
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August 21st, 2013 at 5:35:02 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Do not twist my words....



I said:

Quote: EvenBob

Hey, you're the one who just claimed the pit manager,
the big chief, the boss of everybody in the pit, asked
you if he could piggyback your bets. .



How is that twisting your words. Please point out the twist.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
DeMango
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August 21st, 2013 at 5:45:46 PM permalink
Quote: ongsoc2

Yes Gr8player: "When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH."

Hello Gr8player,
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your tireless effort in convincing players that there is a way to overcome the casino edge...That why I did try to direct you to look for somewhere else twice (one in private message and one in the other thread “Decisions, Decision”) so that you can share your valuable ideas where people will more appreciate.
I have few questions for you but I’m not sure if it is in the right place at a right time to put my question here with all the heated exchange between members.
Anyway, Good luck!
OS



A friend of the great one. This was cut and pasted from where? English not his native language either!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
Zcore13
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August 21st, 2013 at 5:53:56 PM permalink
Gr8,

A couple things for learning pleasure...

Suits don't come down to intimidate. This is not the 50's and they have no reason to even try to. They can just ask you to leave anytime they feel like it. As a matter of fact, if they had any concern about your play they would most likely do it via live video feed into their office or Surveillance would do it.

There is no "winner" rating in any pit software that I know of. There are "skill" ratings, but those relate to how well you play close to perfect.

It is possible that an employee would want to play with you when he retires. Maybe you play well. Maybe you're a fun or interesting guy. Most likely it has nothing to do with you thinking you can beat the house. More than just him would know if you were and I doubt he would risk termination during his last days by not performing his job if you do indeed deserve to be removed from the property based on their standards.

You may well be a good player, but you're off on what happens on the other side of the tables.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
EdgeLooker
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August 22nd, 2013 at 3:42:02 AM permalink
Just watched a poker video (ESPN) featuring Archie Karas who built his roll up to $40M then lost it all. He says he lost $20M at baccarat in just 10 days! Ouch! He now plays $5 chips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMlb_sz6Esk
DeMango
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August 22nd, 2013 at 4:06:20 AM permalink
So how can you be a good player at Bac??? I once took out a quarter, Delaware George. Heads=Banker. Flipped it 8 times, won 7 hands. Gave it to the astonished Asian girl next to me. So I am a good player, no?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
gr8player
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August 22nd, 2013 at 7:40:52 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Gr8,

A couple things for learning pleasure...

Suits don't come down to intimidate. This is not the 50's and they have no reason to even try to. They can just ask you to leave anytime they feel like it. As a matter of fact, if they had any concern about your play they would most likely do it via live video feed into their office or Surveillance would do it.

There is no "winner" rating in any pit software that I know of. There are "skill" ratings, but those relate to how well you play close to perfect.

It is possible that an employee would want to play with you when he retires. Maybe you play well. Maybe you're a fun or interesting guy. Most likely it has nothing to do with you thinking you can beat the house. More than just him would know if you were and I doubt he would risk termination during his last days by not performing his job if you do indeed deserve to be removed from the property based on their standards.

You may well be a good player, but you're off on what happens on the other side of the tables.

ZCore13



Hello, Zcore13. Thank you for taking the time and interest to contribute to the thread, much appreciated.

First, let me expound a bit on the "suits" story, for I think that the broader picture may assist you in understanding the entire situation a bit better. I was on a particularly good run at the time, and so I hadn't lost at this particular hotel in quite some time. As my session had begun, maybe 5 minutes into it, three gentleman appear in the pit, one in particular standing arms folded, just staring at me. To me, it seemed an intimidation ploy, so much so that I colored up and made a bee line to the CCC (Casino Control Commission...in those days, they had a booth in every casino) and asked them the following: "Can I be banned from playing Baccarat here for the sole reason of winning consistently?" to which the officer replied "Are you cheating in any way?" and, of course, I said I am not, and he then said "No, they cannot ban you from playing the game solely for winning." While I did feel a sense of relief, I still was a bit taken aback about the entire affair.

As to the "positive expectation" rating:

A "casino friend" of mine (I knew him for years....he started as a floorperson in one hotel and moved on to credit mgr at another) and I were "shootin' the breeze" when we started speaking about my relatively lousy comp/ratings. He then proceeded to look it up for me. Upon perusing the screen, he told me that I am rated with a "positive expectation". I said what!? He said that I am rated to win. He then showed me exactly what he saw....and, sure enough, it looked to me (I say it "looked to me" because I never, ever broached that subject with him again, and so it's only my interpretation, I didn't ask him to explain it any further) to be a positive (read: plus) percentage as a part of my rating screen (along w/buy-in and cash-out and times, etc).

Lastly, Zcore13, as to the "employee wanting to play with me when he retires":

Your assumption that it "has nothing to do with thinking I can beat the house" is a wrong one, my friend. He sees me as a winner, of that I haven't a doubt. This wasn't about a "social call" on his part in any way, shape, or form. He wanted to become a part of my Bac game, but that was never, ever gonna happen. I might be stupid, but I'm not dumb.LOL

As to the "risk termination" on his part....what risk was there? He had to know enough of me to know that I'd never have breathed a word of it to any other casino employee, and, as it happens, I did not. So if, in fact, he was taking any risk at all, he had to know it was rather non-existant from my perspective.

Thank you again, Zcore13, for taking the time to post your take on those happenstances. Be well.
gr8player
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August 22nd, 2013 at 8:01:20 AM permalink
Quote: ongsoc2

Yes Gr8player: "When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH."

Hello Gr8player,
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your tireless effort in convincing players that there is a way to overcome the casino edge but that holy grail is come from within ourselves. That is we can make it happen if we have a plan and a necessary patience and discipline to carry out our plan.
I have read a lot of your posts from GG Forum to Baccarat Forum and I have to tell you that I absolutely agree with what you said because it came from years of experience. Too bad that some members did not see or understand what you try to explain in the posts and even joke about your idea. I think it is unfair that people treat you like that. That why I did try to direct you to look for somewhere else twice (one in private message and one in the other thread “Decisions, Decision”) so that you can share your valuable ideas where people will more appreciate.
I have few questions for you but I’m not sure if it is in the right place at a right time to put my question here with all the heated exchange between members.
Anyway, Good luck!
OS



Thank you so very much, ongsoc2, for taking the time and interest to post your opinions. You've no idea how satisfying it is for me to read of a fellow Bac player that actually "gets it" and, just as importantly, takes the time to post of their appreciation.

There are people around here that believe that my time is wasted because no one is listening, but they are not privy to any of my private conversations with players that really are trying to improve their Bac games.

Those that actually play this game, and do so in a serious manner with rather strict limits for themselves, know exactly what good Baccarat theories and plays look like, and those people are most appreciative.

On the contrary, those that DO NOT actually play this game, and are pretty much against anyone that dares takes this game seriously, know exactly how to discourage and discredit anything and everything Baccarat-related. Shame on them......

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